AFWhite wrote:
b29flteng wrote:
Iclo wrote:
And what are the obscure reason to have different level of rating to operate two planes of the same type ? Both Fifi and Doc are "Experimental" or I'm wrong ?
Many years ago we got approval from the FAA to operate FIFI without a certificated (Licensed) Flight Engineer. The FAA has determined that Doc will fly with a certificated (Licensed) Flight Engineer. It's as simple as that.
So...how's does one go about getting rated as a recip FE, is there a course, syllabus, etc? I read 14 CFR.529 and it lays out the requirements but to obtain those, I'm guessing you just have to be around the aircraft and learning it's systems?
I'm a P-3 FE and as FEs go, I'd say in the modern era, we'd be the closest thing to what a traditional FE used to be (and we're going away as the P-8 comes along). By that I mean; full systems knowledge, takeoff performance and weight and balance is on us, the engines and power settings are ours (from start to shut down and in flight shutdowns and restarts), fuel management is ours, electrical system management, environmental and pressurization is ours (I'm guessing FiFi and Doc aren't pressurized though? I used to have a schematic of the B-29 pressurization system and it was remarkably similar to the P-3s) and of course handing in flight emergencies as well as maintenance on the ground. With just TWO current recip FEs out there, the need for a few more may come along...I think old P-3 FEs would be a good base to start with

I guess I should have taken those orders to the P-3s in Dallas and been in closer proximity to the CAF!
You asked the right question.
I'm an FAA Designated Flight Engineer Examiner (Recip and turbo prop). I can do a check ride for you and issue an FAA FE certificate.
1. Get a copy of the ASA Flight Engineer Written Test Guide, study it, and go take the Basic FE Written test and the appropriate written test for Recip, turboprop, or turbojet.
2. Get a 2nd. class FAA Medical
3. Get training in the appropriate aircraft, recip, turboprop, or turbojet.
4. You need at least 5 hours training in the aircraft before applying for a certificate.
5. Fill out an FAA form 8400-3 and get it endorsed by your instructor.
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... 8400-3.pdf6. Then contact me.
In FIFI we do our training in a two day ground school with the pilots. Then it takes some OJT with one of our FEs. I'm not sure how it's going to work with Doc.
Both Doc and FIFI are not pressurized, no turbochargers.
PM me if you're interested in getting a turboprop rating in the P-3.