Longshot Scrap Yards With Aircraft Remains - Addendum

[Woodsy Airfield]

The following lists of aircraft that were offered through the DOD Surplus Catelog venue. These military aircraft remains are essentually broken up scrap - not being offered as a possible flyer. I thought maybe those WIX members that are looking for a souvenir or are parts collectors may find the lists useable. For full explanation of subject, please refer to same title above, except use - 1970.

Sale Date..........Aircraft Remains..........Sale Location...........Buyer If Known

3 Nov 1970....H-19D ser. 64254......USATAC Warren, MI......Leon Cleaver, Vermilion, OH
29 Mar 1973........F-105B....................McGuire AFB, NJ
29 Mar 1973...T-38, X-26A, C-2A, F-14.....NAS Patuxent River, MD...Leon Cleaver, Vermilion, OH
...................T-38 BuNo 158197, X-26A BuNo 158818, C-2A BuNo 152788, F-14 BuNo 157989
11 Mar 1975....C-47D, C-119G, C-97G, C-124C, RB-57A.....Tri-City Airport, Saginaw, MI
C-47D ser.43-48459, C-119G ser 52-5846, C-97G ser 52-02646, C-124C ser 51-10126,
RB-57A 52-21463
8 Apr 1975...C-119G ser 52-5846, C-97G ser 52-02646...Tri-City A/P, MI...Jack Munson, Muncie, IN
8 Apr 1975...C-124C ser 51-10126..........Tr-City A/P, MI...........Newhouse Auto, Ypilanti, MI
8 Apr 1975...RB-57A ser 52-21463..........Tri-City A/P, MI..........Jack Munson, Muncie, IN
27 Jan 1976.......F-100................Wurtsmith AFB, MI............B&B Metals, Newton, WI
27 Jan 1976.....CH-21B, CH-21C, UH-19C, HUP-2....Aberdeen PG, MD....Hi-Way Service, Kokomo, IN
....CH-21's...serials 54140.....H-19's.....serials 14248......HUP's....BuNo 128517
............................62144.............................14262..........................128553
............................28701.............................14249..........................128566
............................28684.............................14259..........................128516
............................28700.............................14247..........................128576
............................44000
............................34365
............................34367
5 Jun 1980.........F-105B........................McGuire AFB, NJ
5 Jun 1980.........XAJ-1 BuNo 121460......NAS Norfolk, VA

This list concludes the Longshot Scrap Yard lists. Look for photographs with additional information. Chris Brame will load photos in the next few days for the 1990's and separetly - the Addendum List.
I hope some of the info has a value to interested parties. Thanks to Chris Brame for his help in loading and updating photos...

[Chris Brame]

Sale Date..........Aircraft Remains..........Sale Location...........Buyer If Known
3 Nov 1970....H-19D ser. 64254......USATAC Warren, MI......Leon Cleaver, Vermilion, OH

5-26-78:


Jason - Old property on moving day 7-25-00:


1/2 unloaded - New property 7-28-00:

[Chris Brame]

Sale Date..........Aircraft Remains..........Sale Location...........Buyer If Known
29 Mar 1973...T-38, X-26A, C-2A, F-14.....NAS Patuxent River, MD...Leon Cleaver, Vermilion, OH
...................T-38 BuNo 158197, X-26A BuNo 158818, C-2A BuNo 152788, F-14 BuNo 157989

FIRST NORTHROP T-38 FOR NAVY -- Lt. Sidney Billue, USN, Maj. Don Pascoe, USAF, and Cdr. Gus Eggert assistant director of the Naval Test Pilot School, Patuxent, Md., discuss the cross-country flight of the first Northrop T-38 Talon supersonic trainer delivered to the Navy at Palmdale Monday (Oct. 6).








Patuxent River NAS - 4-16-73:


4-17-73:


7-12-12:


X-26A 158818 - Schweizer 2-32 glider - Results of crash into Chesapeake Bay in early 70s (Baugher says 1972 but also says it was destroyed in a fatal crash in 1980??). Photos taken June 2000:




Pretty sure this is the same one; photo from 456fis.org:


C-2A 152788 (this photo had turned almost completely reddish-orange; I did what I could with it):


F-14A 157989:

Last edited by Chris Brame on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Chris Brame]

Sale Date..........Aircraft Remains..........Sale Location...........Buyer If Known
11 Mar 1975....C-47D, C-119G, C-97G, C-124C, RB-57A.....Tri-City Airport, Saginaw, MI
C-47D ser. 43-48459, C-119G ser 52-5846, C-97G ser 52-02646, C-124C ser 51-10126,
RB-57A 52-21463
8 Apr 1975...C-119G ser 52-5846, C-97G ser 52-02646...Tri-City A/P, MI...Jack Munson, Muncie, IN
8 Apr 1975...C-124C ser 51-10126..........Tr-City A/P, MI...........Newhouse Auto, Ypilanti, MI
8 Apr 1975...RB-57A ser 52-21463..........Tri-City A/P, MI..........Jack Munson, Muncie, IN
"Ten Photos total. Nine photos dated 12-4-74, C-97G and RB-57A depicted while waiting for sale to start in near future. I have included pics of an H-19, HU-16 'Katanga', and RF-84 which were at the Saginaw Museum, but not listed in sales. The 11 Mar 1975 sale was cancelled and aircraft relisted on 8 Apr 1975 list. That sale shows winning bidders. The last photo of RB-57A was taken at Selma Airport, Muncie IN of 21463 on 4-20-1981. As I recall, it had been demiled somewhat, but doesn't seem so in photo."

These were all USAF aircraft that had been loaned to the short-lived Michigan Military Air Museum in the early 1970s. When the museum closed in 1974, the aircraft were impounded and sold; some would even fly again (I've corrected some serials).

C-47D 43-48459:

Per Baugher:

(43-)48459 (c/n 25720) delivered to USAAF Aug 1944. To military museum in Freeland, MI until Dec 1974 when sold. Mar 1975 to N47071, Jan 1976 to N85FA. Nov 1982 to N105CA. In 2007 put on display at Champaign Aviation Museum, Urbana, OH. Civil registration is N105CA, owned by Alta Leasing, Inc.

Current photos here: http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDos ... rial=71954

C-119G 52-5846:

Not a happy ending here:

(52-)5846 (c/n 11005)to civil registry as N48076, Hawkins and Powers water bomber No. 135, Greybull, WY. Crashed Sep 16, 1987 at Castle Craigs State Park, CA. 3 killed.

Photo from this thread: viewtopic.php?t=18840&start=120


C-97G 52-2646:

No info on this one past the sale; Geoff Goodall lists it as "assumed scrapped".

C-124C 51-126:


Cockpit:

Per Baugher:

(51-)126 (c/n 43460) converted to C-124C. Scrapped at the Tri-City Airport in Freeland, Michigan in the mid-1970's. It had flown in there in 1970 for a static display with the "Mid-Michigan Air Museum" but the aircraft there were abandoned when the museum failed to make any money. This plane had been damaged by a windstorm and lost its rudder and so it was scrapped on the spot.

RB-57A 52-1463:


Purchased by Jack Munson, moved to the Selma Airport, Muncie, IN; photo taken April 20, 1981:


Per Nathan Decker at millionmonkeytheater.com:

*USAF 1st TRS (10th TRW).
*USAF 363rd TRW.
*Kentucky ANG 165th TRS.
*1968: Michigan ANG 172nd TRS.
*Currently preserved at Tri Cities Airport, MI. Or is it gone now?

Good question. I found a topographical map that showed the location of the Selma airfield at 40.1880993, -85.2591355; the earliest aerial image (1994) shows a vague area that looks like it could have been a grass airstrip - but no RB-57. Today it's a plowed field.

Now the others that weren't part of the sale:

H-19 (UH-19D) 55-3186, no current info on this one:


HU-16 51-7169, nicknamed Katanga:

Another that made it back into the air, for a while:
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDos ... rial=38920
And on a thread here ("Mystery Albatross"):
viewtopic.php?p=532598

RF-84F 51-1896:

This one's flying, too - on the end of a stick.
Per Nathan Decker at millionmonkeytheater.com:

*1955: USAF 363rd TRW.
*1957: Arkansas ANG 154th TRS.
*1958: Michigan ANG 171st TRS.
*USAF 4520th CCTW.
*Michigan ANG 171st TRS.
*5/1971: Struck off charge.
*Currently preserved at the Selfridge ANGB Museum, since 1/1979.

Wait. What's going on with the stabilizers? The left one has no elevator and doesn't line up with the right one

OK - next we'll look at a LOT of helicopters...

[4RG.I.'S]

Back in A&P tech school in Milwaukee we had aircraft as well as individual components to learn from/work with (the pranged up L-19 is now a frequent visitor to Oshkosh!). There were many hydraulic components from a T-33. I later found 2 T-33's in a junk yard on the north side of the city. The both had the wings sawn off outside of the main gear, one still had the engine in it. Tried like heck to convince my parents to let me buy them and keep them in their back yard (I had an apartment at the time), but no luck.

[Chris Brame]

To continue:

Sale Date..........Aircraft Remains..........Sale Location...........Buyer If Known
27 Jan 1976.....CH-21B, CH-21C, UH-19C, HUP-2....Aberdeen PG, MD....Hi-Way Service, Kokomo, IN
....CH-21's...serials 54140.....H-19's.....serials 14248......HUP's....BuNo 128517
...........................62144...........................14262.........................128553
...........................28701...........................14249.........................128566
...........................28684...........................14259.........................128516
...........................28700...........................14247.........................128576
...........................44000
...........................34365
...........................34367

There will be a total of 7 photos. The 2 pictures show 3 H-21's and 4 HUP-2's stored at a lot a few miles north of Aberdeen Proving Grounds on Old Philadelphia Road - photo dates 2-15-78. I have listed the helicopter serial numbers on back of the 7 pics. I have included a rough sketch of storage yard with what info I could make out. The owner in Indiana sold some choppers to a customer in California and some went to a Jack Fetsko of Media, PA.

Leon drew a map of the layout of the lot; the copy was too light when I scanned it so I redrew it:


Now the photos.
"H-21s - L-R: serials 54140, 62144, 28701"


"Center going back - HUP-2s BuNo 128516, 128566, 128553, 12?517"


"HUP-2s - L-R: Nose of BuNo 128516, 02 Navy-?"


"H-21s - L-R: 28701, ?, 28684"


"H-21s L-R: 28684, 44000"


"4 H-19s L-R: 14259 (olive), 14249 (olive), 14262 (orange), 14248 (orange). H-21 on right - unknown"


"3 H-21s L-R: 28700 (blue), 34365 (blue), 34367 (orange-white)"


More yet to come.

[Nathan]

Dear Leon, Chris,

Can I save some of the 'copter' pictures? They won't be for financial gain.

I'm REALLY enjoying this thread. Looks at all those Piasecki's! It's an interesting place. Did most of these HUP's and H21's survive, minus the one Leon saved?

[Woodsy Airfield]

Nathan - As far as I'm concerned, the photos are for anyones use....Chris has refurbished - if you will - several photos which makes them more viable...I just thought that some pics always enhances a story... ...Leon

[JohnB]

"....the short-lived Michigan Military Air Museum in the early 1970s. When the museum closed in 1974, the aircraft were impounded and sold; some would even fly again (I've corrected some serials)."


I've read that among the aircraft was a prototype OH-6...and after the museum closed the Michigan Sate Police got it and were going to try to make it airworthy (probably unlit they found out how much helicopter parts are).


Anyone know more about the museum and its aircraft?

[Nathan]

Nathan - As far as I'm concerned, the photos are for anyones use....Chris has refurbished - if you will - several photos which makes them more viable...I just thought that some pics always enhances a story... ...Leon

Thank you, Leon. I really am enjoying these threads. It's great to actually see pictures of some of the planes listed. It's interesting where they end up, from one life to another.

I just want to show people where the HUP came from. Im working really hard to find people interested in helping me. And Im slowly buying some hauling gear for when the time comes to do some more airplane adventuring.

[Chris Brame]

Did most of these HUP's and H21's survive, minus the one Leon saved?

I'm getting to that...

As Leon mentioned, some of those helicopters were sold to Jack Fetsko of Media, PA:

From sale of 29 Jan 1976. There are 5 photos in this group. They show some of the H-21's and HUP-2's owned by Jack Fetsko at the New London Airport, PA; photo dates of 4-25-81 and 7-17-84. Some of the info on picture backs is confusing, but Mr. Fetsko was sourcing out parts to make a complete H-21 which ultimately wound up as a display at the Boeing/Vertol Facility in Wilmington, Delaware. The photo with 3 nose sections of the H-21's shows the middle bird nose plate of 365 of which I had purchased. It is now in the possession of Eric Miller...

"H-21 and HUP-2 (BuNo 128517) of Fetsko's. H-21 on right is for sale. Both have sections of s/n 53-4367. 4-25-81"


"HUP-2s at airport - 128566, 128517, 128516, 128578
Several H-21 nose sections, 3 HUPs at New London Airport. Owner - Jack Fetsko of Media, PA. 4-25-81"


"H-21 on left has nose of (olive) H-21 which is main part of 34367. 4-25-81"


"H-21 7-17-84"


"HUP-2/H-21 New London Airport, PA 7-17-84"


So then l took all the serials and went through the Baugher listings. Didn't find all of them, but here's what info there was.

H-21s:

(53-)4367 (c/n B.117) converted to CH-21B. To civil registry as N4367M. Now at Mid-Atlantic Air Museum, Reading, PA.
(55-)4140 (c/n C.94) at American Helicopter Museum, West Chester, PA. Also reported at Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum, NY. Was at American Helicopter Museum since at least 2001.
(54-)4000 (c/n B.153) delivered to French ALAT in Algeria by aircraft carrier DIXMUDE as 8.000.113 and became FR06. In accident at Djebel Azreq Jul 8, 1956. Taken to France for reconstruction and used at engineering school of Bourges then scrapped. (Ed. note: ???)

H-19s:

(51-)14247 (c/n 55180) delivered to US Army Aviation Jul 11, 1952. To Fort Rucker Nov 1962. To Aberdeen Proving Grounds Nov 1965. Sold to Orlando Helicopter Airways. Noted at Sandford Apr 1984. To Stanford 1988. Derelict at an Orlando paint ball park (Ed. note - Sandford, Stanford s/b Sanford?).
(51-)14248 (c/n 55189) delivered to US Army Aviation Jul 11, 1952
(51-)14249 (c/n 55190) delivered to US Army Aviation Jul 11, 1952
(51-)14259 (c/n 55200) delivered to US Army Aviation Aug 26, 1952. Reported converted to QS-55 Aggressor by Orlando Helicopter Airways. Fuselage noted at Sanford, Florida
(51-)14262 (c/n 55215) delivered to US Army Aviation Sep 25, 1952. Noted with Orlando Helicopters, Senford Airport, Florida Oct 1988 (Again - Sanford?).

HUPs:

128517 on display at NAS Willow Grove, PA. On display Jul 2012 at Harold F. Pitcairn Wings of Freedom Museum, Horsham, Pennsylvania.

So there you have it.

[Chris Brame]

One more goodie to toss in: Leon shot this OH-23B (51-16340) at the Columbus, Ohio Defense Construction Supply Center on April 13, 1976:
"The 'Raven' was not listed in any of my catalogs, but since it was in the yard, why not..."

Looked pretty good other than a missing tail rotor. No info in Baugher and Googling the serial turned up zero; so I guess the Raven is ...nevermore .

[Woodsy Airfield]

A big thanks to Chris Brame for reproducing the photos in these listings. I think WIXers and Warbird enthusiasts have an instinctive insight that once a fact or photo is known, the 'Lets Find out all we can about the bird' kicks in...Always very interesting....

[Nathan]

As Leon mentioned, some of those helicopters were sold to Jack Fetsko of Media, PA:
.

Now see, I got all worked up thinking they might still be in media Pa! I should of known better then that! I guess I can save myself a road trip now.

Thanks for the info.

BTW: the H-21 is a big mother compared to the HUP!

[Courier Sportster]

Absolutely top-notch rare and historic junkyard pics. These kinds are why I love it here.