Seafury T-mk20 midair?

[JohnH]

Wreckage and body recovered.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -80069689/

It's kind of strange the family and friends and many that know who it is have said nothing and it's all totally top secret still. Most crashes are not like this . There is usually a follow up story such as -"The pilot/owner, etc., Joseph Johnson was believed to be onboard . "

John

[Mark Allen M]

Yes, speculation does serve a purpose

Although I can somewhat rationalize your point and perhaps can find some merit in the theory that you two fellas suggest of speculation, I feel speculation, in and of itself, is the wrong term to be using. Speculation is simply ideas, guesses and in many ways summations about something that is not known or yet revealed. This can be potentially damaging and especially harmful in cases such as the tragedy being discussed in this thread. Speculation does indeed have a useful role if applied in non-judgemental situations, but unfortunately in cases such as a fatal crash, as is the case here, I would suggest speculation be left out for no other reason than to respect those personally involved and allow for compassion towards those folks who have suffered such a traumatic loss. The reality that many people seem to have a conclusive opinion, regardless of facts when tragedies such as this occur, has always been interesting to me. The truth usually comes to light, whether it's anyone's business here is for another debate all together. IMHO of course.

Todays 2.5 cents worth

M

[Randy Haskin]

Wreckage and body recovered.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -80069689/

It's kind of strange the family and friends and many that know who it is have said nothing and it's all totally top secret still. Most crashes are not like this . There is usually a follow up story such as -"The pilot/owner, etc., Joseph Johnson was believed to be onboard . "

John

Not secret, all over the media:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pilo ... y-23542263

Contra Costa County Sheriff's spokesman Jimmy Lee said Thursday that an autopsy was underway on the body of 33-year-old David Everett Plumb, of Rocklin, California, to determine his exact cause of death.

Lots of folks have known who was involved since it happened (WIX readers were at the Dream Machines event and saw the two get in the airplanes and depart together)...but the typical custom is to wait until official identification to ensure that forum discussion doesn't beat "official" notification of the family.

[Randy Haskin]

FWIW, if the rumors that have been going around turn out to be true after the investigation is completed, there won't really be much to speculate about.

[JohnH]

Thks for that link . Ok then . So young. Terrible .

[CoastieJohn]

Speculation serves no purpose.

I respectfully disagree. I think speculating allows you to explore other scenarios you might be able to learn from because you aren't limited by ony the facts in this specific incident. Instead of looking for fault or who moved which controls when, it might allow us to look at the bigger safety picture.

The fact that we don't know what happened to the missing Malaysian airliner MH370 allows us to explore many different scenarios from aircraft reliability, to radio procedures, to hardware and to mental health. If we just knew that the captain committed suicide, we might not have spent as much time exploring other possibilities.

I tend to agree with you and agree somewhat with Mark also. Rampant, wild, un-sourced rumor spreading probably doesn't provide any benefit and can hurt folks who are already hurting. Responsible, transparent, sourced discussion can be a beneficial thing to discuss and maybe prevent another potential mishap within the community. In my years of CG aviation experience, when we have a mishap and an urgent safety of flight observation is identified, we do not wait for investigations to be completed or announcements made. A message/phone calls is/are immediately sent out specific to the urgent safety of flight issue so others within the community are made aware of the issue and can take appropriate action to prevent another mishap. That's not speculation....that's being smart and looking out for others.

IMO....if responsible discussion is taking place and some people are still uncomfortable or disturbed, I would understand and would be sympathetic. I would then respectfully suggest they stop reading the thread if it is uncomfortable to them.

My lowly 2 cents worth of observation.......

[SaxMan]

Condolences to the Sanders Aviation family. The Warbird Community is so small that there is seldom more than one or two degrees of separation from anyone. A loss to one is a loss felt by all.

[mike furline]

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief ... 1627&key=1

[EDowning]

I am particularly vocal about stuff like this because I have been involved in the warbird community long enough (and I suspect you have too) to notice that too many warbird operators seem to value privacy over safety. Folks should have some degree if privacy, but there is a sense of responsibility that goes with it. We have a perception problem. The general public does not have a real high opinion if aviation as a whole, let alone warbirds. Those attitudes don't help us as a community.

This kind of ridiculous comment coupled with Vlado's experience make it a challenge to share the privilege of warbirds with the "community". Fortunately, it's easy to ignore the outliers of the "community". They are such a small segment of the generally great group people who care about warbirds.

[ZRX61]

Lots of folks have known who was involved since it happened (WIX readers were at the Dream Machines event and saw the two get in the airplanes and depart together)...but the typical custom is to wait until official identification to ensure that forum discussion doesn't beat "official" notification of the family.

Apparently they didn't, according to the NTSB report. The SeaFury left with a Bonanza.

[Randy Haskin]

Lots of folks have known who was involved since it happened (WIX readers were at the Dream Machines event and saw the two get in the airplanes and depart together)...but the typical custom is to wait until official identification to ensure that forum discussion doesn't beat "official" notification of the family.

Apparently they didn't, according to the NTSB report. The SeaFury left with a Bonanza.

There you have it...as learned in mishap investigation school, you can never really trust an eyewitness report!