Lake Michigan Recoveries

shepsair · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:37 am

pencil pushers :twisted:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=8823297

MS

shepsair · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:46 am

.......though it looks like after months of delay the next recovery has been rubber stamped.

Better find out about dates and tickets.

MS

Mudge · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:06 am

It's a case of job security for people who know little or nothing (and care less) about the subject. "Oh, I'm a big deal. I'm with the "Preservation Society". "By the way, what's a Corsair?"

Like Gen. "Chappie" James use to say, "What good's a little power if you can't abuse it?"

Mudge the fed up :crispy:

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:33 am

Are there any more ultra rare SPDs' down there? Gotta love the media.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:57 am

I wonder how many of these 'concerned' folks were part of the mouth breathing mob who helped Dailey tear out Meigs Field?
It's obvious they seem troubled and must lay awake nights worrying that the invasive Zebra Mussels will run short of nesting places.

cooper9411 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:48 pm

I guess it's o.k. to salvage them when it will benefit the navy!

Pat Carry · **Posted:** Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:55 pm

shepsair wrote:

.......though it looks like after months of delay the next recovery has been rubber stamped.

Better find out about dates and tickets.

MS

Good news. I hope there will be additional aircraft coming up from the lake in the future.

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:01 am

I hope so too. (And I'm still hoping for that O-38D to be brought up.)

In the meantime, has anyone tried to do some photo documentation of the many other Navy planes still on the bottom? I know the TBFs and SNJs aren't going to be recovered but it would be interesting to see a few of them (you'd think leaving them in situ would be enough to satisfy the leave-em-to-the-zebra-mussels crowd!).

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:06 am

Chris Brame wrote:

I hope so too. (And I'm still hoping for that O-38D to be brought up.)

In the meantime, has anyone tried to do some photo documentation of the many other Navy planes still on the bottom? I know the TBFs and SNJs aren't going to be recovered but it would be interesting to see a few of them (you'd think leaving them in situ would be enough to satisfy the leave-em-to-the-zebra-mussels crowd!).

A and T Recovery have done a comprehensive survey. Of course it is a commercial company so we will have to wait for the book :wink:

Noha307 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:19 pm

I don't know how many people know this, but there's a piece of military equipment that I would say is actually something even more important! (Not to say the aircraft aren't highly important -they are.) A WWI German U-boat! A&T Salvage were the one's that found it as well. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Pages/GermanUBoat.htm) It would be awesome to recover, but they would have to find a museum to take it first. (I thought it would be cool if Chicago MSI acquired it and put it on display next to U-505

- but that ain't gonna happen.)

By the way, I e-mailed A&T back on May 8th of this year after reading a report on their website about the Midway survivor SBD. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Images/2106/D ... rt2106.pdf - it's a bit long - 171 pages :shock:

but if you got time to kill it's an interesting read) The report mentioned photographs and diagrams, but I couldn't find them on the website. Anyway, to finish a story described in more detail than it needs to be, they said that they hoped to update their website soon.

Finally, I'm kinda confused, were the new rules meant to prevent environmental damage, damage to the aircraft, or both?

Pat Carry · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:26 am

Noha307 wrote:

I don't know how many people know this, but there's a piece of military equipment that I would say is actually something even more important! (Not to say the aircraft aren't highly important -they are.) A WWI German U-boat! A&T Salvage were the one's that found it as well. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Pages/GermanUBoat.htm) It would be awesome to recover, but they would have to find a museum to take it first. (I thought it would be cool if Chicago MSI acquired it and put it on display next to U-505

- but that ain't gonna happen.)

By the way, I e-mailed A&T back on May 8th of this year after reading a report on their website about the Midway survivor SBD. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Images/2106/D ... rt2106.pdf - it's a bit long - 171 pages :shock:

but if you got time to kill it's an interesting read) The report mentioned photographs and diagrams, but I couldn't find them on the website. Anyway, to finish a story described in more detail than it needs to be, they said that they hoped to update their website soon.

Finally, I'm kinda confused, were the new rules meant to prevent environmental damage, damage to the aircraft, or both?

I think the "new rules" are a result of people not having enough to do.

Pat Carry · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:37 am

Noha307 wrote:

I don't know how many people know this, but there's a piece of military equipment that I would say is actually something even more important! (Not to say the aircraft aren't highly important -they are.) A WWI German U-boat! A&T Salvage were the one's that found it as well. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Pages/GermanUBoat.htm) It would be awesome to recover, but they would have to find a museum to take it first. (I thought it would be cool if Chicago MSI acquired it and put it on display next to U-505

- but that ain't gonna happen.)

By the way, I e-mailed A&T back on May 8th of this year after reading a report on their website about the Midway survivor SBD. (http://www.atrecovery.com/Images/2106/D ... rt2106.pdf - it's a bit long - 171 pages :shock:

but if you got time to kill it's an interesting read) The report mentioned photographs and diagrams, but I couldn't find them on the website. Anyway, to finish a story described in more detail than it needs to be, they said that they hoped to update their website soon.

Finally, I'm kinda confused, were the new rules meant to prevent environmental damage, damage to the aircraft, or both?

I have always thought how kool it would be to raise the WW1 U-boat in Lake Michigan. Interestingly enough the U-boat was intentionally sunk by a coast gaurd vessel, the USS Wilmette which at one time was the excursion ship S.S. Eastland. The S S Eastland tipped over in the Chicago River almost 100 years ago taking over 800 lives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Eastland

RickH · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:38 am

Supposedly, the new rules were put in place to allow a mechanism for salvage. If an aircraft was found that didn't have significant individual history, the NHC now has a way release the item to the petitioner for salvage. It also applies to the USAF, where the petition is rubber stamped OK at Maxwell AFB.

Pat Carry · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:42 am

shepsair wrote:

:evil:

pencil pushers :twisted:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=8823297

MS

I hope the recovery happens soon. The next 2 days are going to be nice but after that the bottom falls out for the next few weeks anyways.

Wildchild · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:16 pm

RickH wrote:

Supposedly, the new rules were put in place to allow a mechanism for salvage. If an aircraft was found that didn't have significant individual history, the NHC now has a way release the item to the petitioner for salvage. It also applies to the USAF, where the petition is rubber stamped OK at Maxwell AFB.

So, what your saying is, Un-important aircraft, such as a SNJ can be raised, restored and useable for 100+ years while a Historicially signficant airplane, such as another Midway survivor, must stay down there for another 15 years and then get destroyed?

That makes sence...

Warbird Information Exchange

Lake Michigan Recoveries

Who is online