Kiwi Skyhawks in the news...

[Warbirdnerd]

The failure to sell New Zealand's Skyhawk fighter jets has been a "a disaster" for the taxpayer and frustrating for the Government, Prime Minister John Key says.

Defence Minister Wayne Mapp today admitted that unless there are dramatic developments in the next 24 hours, the Skyhawks will be either junked or turned into museum pieces.

The American buyer, Tactical Air Service, has a deadline of tomorrow to come up with the money, after which American State Department approval - required for the sale - expires.

TAS's principal Larry "Hoss" Pearson said at the start of this week that the $155 million sale would go ahead, although he would not give details. He said it would happen "very soon".

The Prime Minister said that even if the Skyhawks were sold there would be been enormous costs in refurbishing them and getting them up and running again.

"It's not just as simple as handing over the keys. There will be an awful lot of work that has to be done and the reality is that time has moved on and technology has moved on. There's a limited demand for them," Mr Key said.

He said one of the Skyhawks may go to Australia, and some of the avionics could be sold.

"We are considering a number of other options that are available to us. There is probably more demand for the Aermacchi than the Skyhawks but we will have to see how we go from here.

"It may well be that they end up in clubs around New Zealand and maybe one going to Australia. It's obviously disappointing.

"It's historic, they'd [Australia] like to have one in their collection over there and I think it would be a nice gesture on our part. And let's face it, there's not exactly a lot of buyers who are clambering in front of them."

He added: "There's some avionics in them and we'd still have to get clearance from the State Department before we can actually sell those avionics."

He said it was "frustrating" copyright around the avionics was blocked by the US State Department. "I don't want to blame anyone. I haven't see any advice on why it's been held up but there's been a number of blockages along the way."

The 17-strong Skyhawk fleet has been in mothballs since 2001 when the then Labour government decommissioned the air combat wing and reorganised the defence force.

They were sold to TAS for $155 million but the sale was stalled by the need for State Department approval, which took four years.

Ad Feedback But TAS is yet to hand over the money.

Mr Mapp said he would be getting an update from officials later today: "The key issue there is have they got the money or have they got an extension of the date".

Unless either happened in the next 24 hours the Government would have to look at alternatives.

"If no one wants to buy them they end up being museum pieces - at some point air craft reach the end of their life."

The other option was selling the planes off as spare parts.

The Aermacchi's were a different story - if the Skyhawk deal didn't proceed the jet trainers would be sold off separately.

However, the Aermacchis had long standing engine problems

Found it here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/po ... le-failure

[JBoyle]

It must be nice for a country to decide it can forgo an attack element to its air force.

Why spend your money when your friends will save your bacon if bad guys come knocking?

[mike furline]

Not sure how many spares are involved, but 155M for 17 A-4's (approx. 9.1M each) seems a bit much.

[DaveM2]

It must be nice for a country to decide it can forgo an attack element to its air force.

Why spend your money when your friends will save your bacon if bad guys come knocking?

Ridiculous Labour Govt policy which pissed many off. Unfortunately the cost of reworking them is not worth the money now, it being redirected to the martime/ rescue section of the RNZAF. Not only that many of the fighter jocks defected to the RAF in digust IIRC, mind you a dozen A-4s would never cut it if we were ever attacked I guess
The old boys from the Maori Battalion would put the fear of God into any invader though

[Zac Yates]

I was absolutely shattered when the news came out that not only had a planned F-16 deal been cancelled but also the Skyhawks retired. I have had no wish to be a pilot in the RNZAF since then, I am amazed. Our air force now consists of fixed-wing transports, rotary-wing transports and a small unit of Orions for maritime patrol.

There has been a LOT of discussion over the last nine years as to what should be done with the fleet, it seems it may be scattered to the four winds or even scrapped. Many museums and organizations are VERY quickly putting their hands up for them.

A fascinating discussion can be read at the Wings Over New Zealand forum here: http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?bo ... 605&page=1

[JDK]

Interesting the article glosses why the Aussies might want some - they were, after all secondhand Royal Australian Navy machines.

They're old, tired thirdhand bombers (strike/attack if you like), not fighters.

It must be nice for a country to decide it can forgo an attack element to its air force.

Why spend your money when your friends will save your bacon if bad guys come knocking?

NZ is not 'a n other' country, but in a unique geo-political situation. Friends and bad guys aren't even on the horizon (literally, if you look at a map). If you look at air defence capability needs as against big dick posturing in the "I've got an air force" game, New Zealand has and has had no need for such a force. Since 2001 the New Zealanders have had a good deal of cash go to more useful things - hospitals, say - than keeping a very few of un-needed fighter jocks happy with toys.

An attack by Australia or the US on NZ as well as unthinkable wouldn't be turned away by a bunch of 1960s ex-Navy bombers. Other airborne 'threats' to New Zealand don't exist.

Future threats to NZ? Ummmm....

Of course such views are unthinkable for many.

[TimAPNY]

I find it interesting as the world to be come more unstable that defense budgets are being gutted. Sorry I know that is off topic...

It would have been great to see them come back to the US.

Tim

[Rob Mears]

Well if they can't sell them for $9.1M each, maybe they can sell them for a half-million each to collectors?! It sure beats scrap value!