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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:41 pm 
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The Knoll aircraft website is here: http://www.pknoll.net/knoll_aircraft/aircraftco.htm

I would also be interested in a nice scan of a April 1929 Aero Digest. I have a rather grainy copy of a photocopy but would like to extract more data with a good scan.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:53 pm 
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Did the airplane receive an Approved Type Certificate? If so, you can can photos in the U.S. Civil Aircraft volumes by Jos. P. Juptner. Otherwise, I have aircraft yearbooks from 1928-29 that would also have it as well as lots of magazines from the late 20's that I can look through.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:34 pm 
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I am not sure if it received the Approved Type Certificate, or not. I do know that they sold four of the KN-1's before going under due to the Great Depression. If you run across anything let me know! I have a request to the Smithsonian but what I gathered from another volunteer is they don't have much info on the Knoll. I have a few magazine advertisements, though the best one is very grainy.

Shame that a crashed one sat derelict aside a Mexican air force base until as recently as three years ago when they burned and recycled what was left of it :Hangman:

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A quick check of AERO FILES shows no ATC cert issued for KNOLL airframes in 1927-1930, but an even quicker scan of WIKI turns up several hits including pictures and plant location aerial pictures relative to modern times, of the KNOLL plant on 1st in beeeutyfull Witchita. The KN-1 photos show a fairly drab looking big windowed high wing monoplane-

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Sorry dude, not WIKI but GOOGLE search

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:58 pm 
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The Inspector wrote:
A quick check of AERO FILES shows no ATC cert issued for KNOLL airframes in 1927-1930, but an even quicker scan of WIKI turns up several hits including pictures and plant location aerial pictures relative to modern times, of the KNOLL plant on 1st in beeeutyfull Witchita. The KN-1 photos show a fairly drab looking big windowed high wing monoplane-



Inspector,

Thanks for checking AERO FILES. That clears up that mystery. They probably went under before getting the type certificate. The google search you referenced sounds like the same website I listed in the first paragraph of my initial post.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:28 am 
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Also looking for the June, 1929 Aero Digest.

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Can't find my index list of the magazine storage boxes. (loose issues, unbound, stored in the back collection-room shelves). I looked through a couple of the HEAVY :!: Aero Digest boxes and did not see those issues. I DO have large bound volumes of Aero Digest in the library and it takes four large volumes just to bind the 1929 issues. Found the bound volume of AD for April/May/June 1929, and it is about 800 pages of fabulous stuff from rare & oddball aircraft to every engine & accessory, plus fantastic full page photo ads etc. profusely illustrated. Nearly 300 pages per month. I sure do not want to break up a set of these. But if you know what pages you are looking for, let me know and I'll see if can get the volume onto the scanner, or take a decent photo of it/them with the camera for you. If you don't know the pages, I'll have to go through about 600 or so pages, but will enjoy it! I haven't looked at these for some time, and forgot how great they are/were. I would consider selling (either) ALL of the bound, or all of the loose issues of Aero Digest, (1920s-1940s, loose issues)if anyone is seriously interested. Bound volumes are only from 1929-38 and missing some years. Will be parting with LOTS of similar years & aero titles (including foreign titles) in long runs, if anyone is looking for collections/sets. A LOT of these magazines ran aircraft & engine reports in series, in several successive issues...

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Can't find my index list of the magazine storage boxes. (loose issues, unbound, stored in the back collection-room shelves). I looked through a couple of the HEAVY :!: Aero Digest boxes and did not see those issues. I DO have large bound volumes of Aero Digest in the library and it takes four large volumes just to bind the 1929 issues. Found the bound volume of AD for April/May/June 1929, and it is about 800 pages of fabulous stuff from rare & oddball aircraft to every engine & accessory, plus fantastic full page photo ads etc. profusely illustrated. Nearly 300 pages per month. I sure do not want to break up a set of these. But if you know what pages you are looking for, let me know and I'll see if can get the volume onto the scanner, or take a decent photo of it/them with the camera for you. If you don't know the pages, I'll have to go through about 600 or so pages, but will enjoy it! I haven't looked at these for some time, and forgot how great they are/were. I would consider selling (either) ALL of the bound, or all of the loose issues of Aero Digest, (1920s-1940s, loose issues)if anyone is seriously interested. Bound volumes are only from 1929-38 and missing some years. Will be parting with LOTS of similar years & aero titles (including foreign titles) in long runs, if anyone is looking for collections/sets. A LOT of these magazines ran aircraft & engine reports in series, in several successive issues...


Barnbstormer,

I would sure appreciate the help with any scans. the April 1929 was on and around page 215. The June 1929 was on and around page 231. That one (June) I have an extremely poor copy of a copy, and could mine much better data with a decent scan for the engine mounts, window frames, and landing gear. It gives a unique view with the engine swung away. You may want to check and see if there is an advertiser's index on those volumes, as that would point you to any ads.

Also Aviation magazine March 9, 1929 advertisement. On and around page 709.

Thank you!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:56 pm 
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Here are the ads/with initial report for March; April; May; June & July.
Send me your email & I’ll send you the higher res versions..
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I looked through the appropriate Juptner's in case there was an error in Aerofiles. As
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barnbstormer wrote:
Here are the ads/with initial report for March; April; May; June & July.
Send me your email & I’ll send you the higher res versions..


Barnbstormer,

Thanks! That is like going to see the movie Avatar in 3D. PM sent for my email address.

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