Tue May 19, 2009 1:36 pm
PinecastleAAF wrote:It is as simple as that.
Hopefully good legal advice and perseverance thru the proper channels can get this resolved. I don't see it as a case of government gone wild at all, rules are rules.
You would think someone going to the expense and work of importing a warbird would make sure all his t's were crossed and his i's were dotted. I hope he can get it worked out.
Tue May 19, 2009 2:03 pm
In discussing the Skyraider issue with a Fed a few weeks back he replied, "No, there isn't
a booklet or package instruction on 'How to import a Warbird'"
Tue May 19, 2009 2:23 pm
PinecastleAAF wrote:In discussing the Skyraider issue with a Fed a few weeks back he replied, "No, there isn't
a booklet or package instruction on 'How to import a Warbird'"
That is hilarious. Check with customs, there ARE rules about importing significant military equipment. Pretty sure a skyraider falls in that category. Too bad they don't put out a helpful booklet for us everday joes.
Something was done or not done differently in the case of this skyraider. Hopefully the owner can figure it out. Warbirds get imported all the time and I don't see the Feds coming to get all of them. Maybe i missed that news.
Tue May 19, 2009 3:42 pm
Randy Haskin wrote:Let's not let this anti-TSA rant be like the last one about the B-17....you know, the one which turned out to be not as it was originally reported.
This may be as asinine as it seems, I don't know...but be wary of ready/fire/aim comments, as they are as ignorant as the action that's being commented on potentially is.
Tue May 19, 2009 5:51 pm
PinecastleAAF wrote:What the owner needs is a VERY good attorney. If the owner or owners agent did not get the proper paperwork then he is in violation of the law. It is as simple as that. Hopefully good legal advice and perseverance thru the proper channels can get this resolved. I don't see it as a case of government gone wild at all, rules are rules. You would think someone going to the expense and work of importing a warbird would make sure all his t's were crossed and his i's were dotted. I hope he can get it worked out.
Tue May 19, 2009 5:52 pm
Tue May 19, 2009 6:10 pm
PinecastleAAF wrote:There is a rumor that the TSA will be taking over the Air Force Museum......as soon as they take care of the FiFi situation.
Wed May 20, 2009 2:04 am
mustangdriver wrote:MY comments have to do with working close with the TSA for 4years and seeing the insane things that they have done.
Wed May 20, 2009 3:01 am
Wed May 20, 2009 3:50 am
Wed May 20, 2009 6:58 am
He's been asked to provide more details and, so far, hasn't.
I'm curious as to why the website doesn't seem to provide ANY details of the case. Am I missing something, or should I 'check back later'?
Wed May 20, 2009 7:12 am
JDK wrote:Until there's evidence that the TSA are involved, I hope you can see that talking bout them is irrelevant. The previous anti-TSA thread was great fun for those who like to attack governmental organisations - but it was our posters who were wrong. The TSA were not involved. Who ended up looking silly there?
Wed May 20, 2009 8:41 am
PinecastleAAF wrote:In discussing the Skyraider issue with a Fed a few weeks back he replied, "No, there isn't
a booklet or package instruction on 'How to import a Warbird'"
That is hilarious. Check with customs, there ARE rules about importing significant military equipment. Pretty sure a skyraider falls in that category. Too bad they don't put out a helpful booklet for us everday joes.
Something was done or not done differently in the case of this skyraider. Hopefully the owner can figure it out. Warbirds get imported all the time and I don't see the Feds coming to get all of them. Maybe i missed that news.
Wed May 20, 2009 9:18 am
Wed May 20, 2009 9:42 am
T33driver wrote:PinecastleAAF wrote:In discussing the Skyraider issue with a Fed a few weeks back he replied, "No, there isn't
a booklet or package instruction on 'How to import a Warbird'"
That is hilarious. Check with customs, there ARE rules about importing significant military equipment. Pretty sure a skyraider falls in that category. Too bad they don't put out a helpful booklet for us everday joes.
Something was done or not done differently in the case of this skyraider. Hopefully the owner can figure it out. Warbirds get imported all the time and I don't see the Feds coming to get all of them. Maybe i missed that news.
Great posts Pinecastle--you've gotten to the heart of the matter. While I feel the Skyraider owner's pain, one has to do their homework exhaustively when importing a warbird in the post 9-11 era. Owners/importers can b*tch all day long about gov't rules and regs but if you wanna play the game, you gotta follow the rules and be extremely thorough and pay close attention to detail on the gov't paperwork and procedure or you are in big trouble. I imported my warbird in 2002 and have assisted several others doing the same since then. One guy told me, "hey I wanna bring my T-33 out of Canada in a few weeks, what do I need to do?" I replied he should give himself six months to get all the approvals from:
US Dept of Defense Technology Transfer Division
US Dept of State--dept of defense trade controls
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
US Customs or ICE as it's called now
TSA
FAA
your state DOT
Transport Canada
your state's Dept of Health radiation protection division (re. radium gages)
I think that's all of them but you can see what's involved here. The first thing I did when I undertook to import my warbird was to pick the brains of a few guys who done it successfully, then called every gov't agency I knew for sure would be involved (US Customs, FAA, ATF) and asked them what they needed from other agencies. It takes a lot of coordinating, it's onerous, a pain, but in the end I found most of the folks in the alphabet soup of gov't agencies were helpful and cooperative and some even thought it was pretty cool. I don't know what the Skyraider owner did or didn't do in following procedure but if his paperwork and procedures weren't accomplished correctly and/or completely, I'm not surprised he's in this situation.