Not authenic.... Red tail filiming issue...?

Jollygreenslugg · **Posted:** Sun May 03, 2009 10:13 pm

flyingheritage wrote:

Only reason i can think is they could get a brown skinned Czech pilot to fill in...

Yeah, there are so many brown-skinned Czechs :roll:

Baldeagle · **Posted:** Sun May 03, 2009 10:37 pm

From the website that accompanies the photos:

http://www.hangar11.co.uk/detail.php?newsid=28

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Xrayist · **Joined:** Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:51 am **Posts:** 329

I don't know, maybe flying heritage has a point...but then again...they never should have made the movie Memphis Belle since the real Memphis Belle was an F model (?) and they used a G model B-17, or there should not be a remake of the movie Dambusters as they were real Lancasters and not CGI. Yes, I know there will be some footage of real Lancasters used, but again, the wrong model. Come to think of it, I will never watch the movie Sink the Bismarck again as they were not real battleships, and battle cruisers used in that film either.
Come on, all sarcasm aside, this is a MOVIE, it is ENTERTAINMENT, it IS NOT REAL, but does try to be as accurate as possible. It is for enjoyment purposes, not claming to be 100 percent accurate....just enjoy the fact that you will be able to see REAL P-51's and REAL P-40's and at least one REAL B-17 fly and be filmed while doing so. Maybe the wrong model numbers, maybe not 100 perecent accurate recreation of a WWII fighter or bomber, but this will be as good as it gets. Remember, if you really are against such things as the make up being used in this film, then show it by not spending your money to go see it, and try and convince everyone you know to do the same...in the end it will show how many people agree with you.
I agree with whoever said it would be hard to turn over your 1.5 million dollar plane to someone you don't even know, just because of skin color, and hope that they bring it down in one piece.
So endeth the rant for this evening.

BHawthorne · **Posted:** Mon May 04, 2009 1:16 am

Xrayist wrote:

I agree with whoever said it would be hard to turn over your 1.5 million dollar plane to someone you don't even know, just because of skin color, and hope that they bring it down in one piece.

I know if it was my $1.5mil aircraft it would be just me flying it. The color of skin has absolutely nothing to do with the matter. It's silly to infer race plays any role in the decision making process. If race did play a role, they wouldn't be having thier planes painted up and flying in that movie. :wink:

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

Xrayist wrote:

I don't know, maybe flying heritage has a point... .

Buddy, having been around WIX as long as I have, and having seen the different incarnations and re-incarnations of Sabre, WIXlova, HGU and Flyingheritage, I believe that I can tell you without risking being mistaken, that he has never had a point about anything.

Saludos,

Tulio

the330thbg · **Joined:** Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:06 pm **Posts:** 2713

flyingheritage wrote:

http://www.hangar11.co.uk/gallery/1241212218DSC03404.JPG

I wonder what this photo from Red Tail filming is men to convey to the public at large?

I feel its a poor attempt at showing a Africian/Negro pilot.. what do others think?

This might be seen as bad taste by other people.

If not - why the ell would someone wear a brown face mask as such?

Only reason i can think is they could get a brown skinned Czech pilot to fill in...

As long as it is not 'Ted Danson'., i am cool with it!! :shock:

markcia · **Posted:** Mon May 04, 2009 8:36 am

I have to say that my first thought was why they haddn't just blacked their faces but then I remembered that it's still pretty cold in CZ at the moment and having frostbite would be a pain. My guess it that the face mask is for open cockpit shots and I would imagine that any exposed skin even blacked would be frozen in a minute or so...

Just a thought from this Canadian thawing out...

Mark

T33driver · **Posted:** Mon May 04, 2009 9:04 am

Tulio wrote:

Xrayist wrote:

I don't know, maybe flying heritage has a point... .

Buddy, having been around WIX as long as I have, and having seen the different incarnations and re-incarnations of Sabre, WIXlova, HGU and Flyingheritage, I believe that I can tell you without risking being mistaken, that he has never had a point about anything.

Saludos,

Tulio

Good point.

Paul Krumrei · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:06 pm **Posts:** 1757

I would personally say, that it is certainly not a race issue, because they are creating a film, to help people understand the trials and tribulations that black pilots had to deal with.

I personally love speaking to the pilots at the Wings of the North airshow and thank them everytime for the service they provided.

I love hearing the stories of how much pain they went through and the bull they put up with, and I think they really know now, that things have changed in this country for the better, when I young white man like myself, can sit and want to learn and understand how much they dealt with and to thank them from the bottom of my heart, how much I enjoy reading about them, and how much they gave to others when America was kicking them down. To me, they are real hero's for putting up with a country that hated them, and fighting tooth and nail because they loved their country.

Bless everyone of them.

Paul

Paul Krumrei · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:06 pm **Posts:** 1757

Xrayist wrote:

I don't know, maybe flying heritage has a point...but then again...they never should have made the movie Memphis Belle since the real Memphis Belle was an F model (?) and they used a G model B-17, or there should not be a remake of the movie Dambusters as they were real Lancasters and not CGI. Yes, I know there will be some footage of real Lancasters used, but again, the wrong model. Come to think of it, I will never watch the movie Sink the Bismarck again as they were not real battleships, and battle cruisers used in that film either.
Come on, all sarcasm aside, this is a MOVIE, it is ENTERTAINMENT, it IS NOT REAL, but does try to be as accurate as possible. It is for enjoyment purposes, not claming to be 100 percent accurate....just enjoy the fact that you will be able to see REAL P-51's and REAL P-40's and at least one REAL B-17 fly and be filmed while doing so. Maybe the wrong model numbers, maybe not 100 perecent accurate recreation of a WWII fighter or bomber, but this will be as good as it gets. Remember, if you really are against such things as the make up being used in this film, then show it by not spending your money to go see it, and try and convince everyone you know to do the same...in the end it will show how many people agree with you.
I agree with whoever said it would be hard to turn over your 1.5 million dollar plane to someone you don't even know, just because of skin color, and hope that they bring it down in one piece.
So endeth the rant for this evening.

1. Its a movie, not a documentary

2. Limited resources.

3. Are you really going to argue about trying to show the public a small piece of history with a heartfelt movie to help people get emotionally attaced to a historical event/figure.

4. I'ts a Movie!

the330thbg · **Joined:** Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:06 pm **Posts:** 2713

some people love pulling the 'race' card out whenever they can. It turns most forums south.., very fast!

BHawthorne · **Posted:** Mon May 04, 2009 2:43 pm

the330thbg wrote:

some people love pulling the 'race' card out whenever they can. It turns most forums south.., very fast!

What people fail to understand is that flyingheritige is forum trolling in the original post. He's attempting to get a reaction out of people for is own enjoyment. :roll:

the330thbg · **Joined:** Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:06 pm **Posts:** 2713

BHawthorne wrote:

the330thbg wrote:

some people love pulling the 'race' card out whenever they can. It turns most forums south.., very fast!

What people fail to understand is that flyingheritige is forum trolling in the original post. He's attempting to get a reaction out of people for is own enjoyment. :roll:

oh, no.., I understand what he is after.., and trust me.., if he posted that photo on another forum.., without any context.., he would get just the reaction he was looking for..,
he probably already emailed to the NYTimes!!!!! :shock:

They will sue and have the production ground to a halt!

flyingheritage · **Joined:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:00 am **Posts:** 349

So your all telling me after 1-3years lead in to this movie.. that the directors could not find ANY africian negro rated Mustang pilots in the world at all?

That is what is called research and if they want to make a movie isnt it better to just go abit further for authenicity?

You can all rant on - even some of you attacking me cant even see the issue for what is it. ACCURACY in a movie.

I feel the directors of the movie could of with abit more thinking found a american pilot surely who is qualified on mustangs and flown him out. Wouldnt costsed as much more to do that for the scenes required.

Guess you all would say Pearl harbour never had a flaw?

Then again how accurate is movie aiming to be if it cant get a black negro pilot in actual flying scenes (from what i see so far)???

This whole forum is trolled by many people.
Some contribute some dont.
Some people post stupid posts ...... like

"my yahoo email isnt working" -

like how does that contribute to warbirds?

Elroy13 · **Posted:** Mon May 04, 2009 3:52 pm

flyingheritage wrote:

So your all telling me after 1-3years lead in to this movie.. that the directors could not find ANY africian negro rated Mustang pilots in the world at all?

That is what is called research and if they want to make a movie isnt it better to just go abit further for authenicity?

You can all rant on - even some of you attacking me cant even see the issue for what is it. ACCURACY in a movie.

I feel the directors of the movie could of with abit more thinking found a american pilot surely who is qualified on mustangs and flown him out. Wouldnt costsed as much more to do that for the scenes required.

Guess you all would say Pearl harbour never had a flaw?

Then again how accurate is movie aiming to be if it cant get a black negro pilot in actual flying scenes (from what i see so far)???

This whole forum is trolled by many people.
Some contribute some dont.
Some people post stupid posts ...... like

"my yahoo email isnt working" -

like how does that contribute to warbirds?

Why dont you just be glad that they are making a movie!!?? Please crawl back under your rock! :enforcer:

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