Warbird Information Exchange

Nathan, is there any evidence at all to support the allegation you made? Is there anything the Pres elect has done or written to indicate that he is anti historical warbird? Or did this just come out of your imagination or some mindless ranting by Rush to feed the lowest part of his audience? Do you really think that if this guy is at least average( you don't get into Harvard Law being average) that we won't be better off than we are now after the last 8 years?

It is your right to support the other side. Perhaps you have good reasons, maybe you work for Lockheed or Haliburton and don't want the golden egg withdrawn. But for you or many others, you could at least be honest enough, at least have enough intellectual integrity to base any attack on some type of fact. Finally, do you really think with our country in an economic disaster, and trying to wind down the war that the new Pres will be focusing on our hobby? I wish I was a big donor to his campaign and thus had access. We ought to be inviting him to Sun N Fun or Oshkosh and get him a B-17 or P-51 flight , along with whoever the new FAA head is, therefore trying to make a friend rather than an enemy for gen av.

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

Please no more politics on the thread either for or against! I do agree with Bill's last statement though, about trying not to make an enemy. Maybe there should be a new thread started for it.
This thread is about the exciting possibility that more aircraft will eventually come up from the deep for restoration - we could argue about static vs. flying and that would be more on topic . Either way, it's better than letting them be lunch for bottom feeders.

Ryan

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Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.

Maybe we should have a communist warbird review in Oshkosh..

" I wish I was a big donor to his campaign and thus had access. We ought to be inviting him to Sun N Fun or Oshkosh and get him a B-17 or P-51 flight , along with whoever the new FAA head is, therefore trying to make a friend rather than an enemy for gen av.[/quote]

You must not have gave to much as I would have been able to look it up.. you should really put your money where your money mouth is. You want the world but don't want to pay for it. You didn't even give to the comradski level.. Even socialist look to see who donates to the cause of socialist patroiots .

Ok WIXers...time for a sanity check (and to avoid ANOTHER political train wreck )


Time for Dan's

"Zebra Mussel Primer"


This is NOT a Zebra Mussel. This eats planes, but Zebra Mussels do NOT eat planes, thus this is NOT a Zebra Mussel.




The Zebra Mussel is a tiny little being...'bout the size of your fingernail. They are not fearsome creatures. They pose a threat to aquatic environments, but not to man or machine.




Through their life processes, Zebra Mussels actually filter water and make it cleaner. That's good for the appearance of a lake, but not good for all the other little creatures that depend on lake algae to feed. This is how the Zebra Mussel has the greatest negative impact on the ecosystem...screwing up the food chain.

Zebra Mussels also are dense in fat and are able to filter large amounts of PCB's out of the water. That's a good thing...that is until another creature eats the Zebra Mussel and now brings more concentrated PCB levels back into the food chain. Lake fish now have higher levels of PCB's in their body tissues. Eating lake fish in large quantities is simply not a healthy idea.




Other than a nuisance, Zebra Mussels pose no real danger to underwater aircraft.

Know Your Enemy!

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It was a good idea, it just didn't work.

Dan, you left out the secret known only to a few, that the largest source of mussels in the world is the communal farm in Indonesia where the Chosen One learned to cultivate and spread these thing to the free world. As for them being high sources of fat, why do you think we are an overweight nation?

If you look carefully on a satelite photo, you may be able to make out the farm. It is the one with the statue of Bill Ayers out front.

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

Maybe is was in retaliation for us starting the aids virus

This is all Republican propaganda! Don't fall for this my fellow Americans.
Before you know it the Zebra Mussels will be eating our cars & guns.

FEAR THE MUSSEL!!!!

i know all about them, i'm in the marine business on lake erie. what do you want to know???

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tom d. friedman - hey!!! those fokkers were messerschmitts!! * without ammunition, the usaf would be just another flying club!!! * better to have piece of mind than piece of tail!!

Last I read about the start of AIDS, it is thought that it came from an area near and dear to The Anointed One. Seems the denizens were enjoying intimate physical relations with creatures known as African green monkeys.

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Steve Turner, USAF aircraft refueler 54+ years ago.

Airplanes, guys... the topic is airplanes... old US Navy airplanes... and the possibility that the Naval Historical Center might look more favorably on proposals to recover those old airplanes some time soon.

Dan,

My friend, I do disagree with you on this one. Those little crustaceans can destroy anything! They attach to anything and enzimes and fecal matter are highly corrosive. I have encountered simular fresh and salt water species that had so corroded the planes that almost nothing is usable.

The airplanes in Lake Michigan and the Great Lakes chain will be destroyed by the Zebras. If the NHC does change course and allow, and promote the recovery, and preservation by the private sector I will be one of their GREATEST supporters. I mean this from the bottom of my heart.

If the NHC does not take action soon the planes will only be a pile of aluminum and steel particles on the lake floor. Will anyone at the NHC be accountable for the damage done? A birdcage Corsair is in Lake Michigan along with many wonderful Naval aircraft. I have been on the lake myself with sidescan sonar.

Pirate Lex
http://www.BrewsterCorsair.com

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An ego is no match for gravity.

Lex, I defer to your experience with them. I knew there were some steel corrosion issues, but thought aluminum was relatively unaffected (other than being covered by the little barnacles)...learn something new everyday at WIX.

As to removal, the following seems to offer some hope:

http://www.rydlymemarine.com/pdfs/ZEBRA ... 0SHEET.pdf

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It was a good idea, it just didn't work.

well if congress passed the law and the public can go get these planes(according to what has been said here) has anybody applied to the navy to go salvage these? Rex sounds like the man to go and get them...does the navy want the birdcage corsair or is it up for grabs? I heard their are some p40s up in one of those lakes too?

Dan,

Bleech works well and probably costs less too.

Pirate Lex
www.BrewsterCorsair.com

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