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Woo Hoo Rich get out the hacksaw it's coming OFF!!! (then start pounding to make new fairings)

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can I take mine off?


I'll leave the technical answer to the experts, Jim, but FWIW:


On 6th Aug 44, George Preddy did this . . .

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:lol: what about the VLR conversion? :lol:
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I'm picking on Rich since he has forbidden me from removing it. Something about FAA regs.

We're doing the VLR for sure. Maybe in the future we'll repaint her as Frenesi in the D Day colors.

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After all that, they won't let you do it? Does the FAA mandate that all airworthy D models have the conversion?
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We've apparently got to comply with all outstanding T.O.s.

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Well I guess that is that. :(

What if you convert a C into a D? ;) :lol:
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Then Rich starts writing "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" about 10,000 times in a row

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What if you convert a C into a D? ;) :lol:
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Jim Beasley wrote:
Then Rich starts writing "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" about 10,000 times in a row

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Well I guess that is that. :(

What if you convert a C into a D? ;) :lol:

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I have to say that one of the greatest things to see on here is the boss and his mechanic having discussions, arguments, and generally fun on a forum when they're probably less than 20 feet from each other in the hangar. :lol:
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Jim Beasley wrote:
We've apparently got to comply with all outstanding T.O.s.


Does experimental category apply or is it limited, etc? If all operators had to comply with all mods, then wouldn't Old Crow and PE need the fin added? Nah!

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We've apparently got to comply with all outstanding T.O.s.


Does experimental category apply or is it limited, etc? If all operators had to comply with all mods, then wouldn't Old Crow and PE need the fin added? Nah!
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We've apparently got to comply with all outstanding T.O.s.


Does experimental category apply or is it limited, etc? If all operators had to comply with all mods, then wouldn't Old Crow and PE need the fin added? Nah!

SHHHH! :shock:
Or we'll have to do this- :ouch:
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Matt Gunsch wrote:
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The question is: Was the DFF fitted for structural or additional fin area considerations?
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Read my above post, and the T.O.

Usually structural components are not installed with non structural screws and dimple washers through enlarged holes. (such as the other empennage fairings and wing fairings.

The "D" manuals clearly show the incorrect routing of the oil system tubes from the engine to oil cooler and back to the reservoir. Many "new" guys have boiled the oil on the first takeoff by folowing the manual.

Would you like to despute/debate that also and claim that all of the flying Mustangs are plumbed incorrectly as the manuals state otherwise?

Glenn


The crash of this 51 was caused by following the manual concerning the oil lines,

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51regis ... 74446.html

- Rebuilt at Chino, CA, 1988-1994.
- First flight April 4, 1994.
- Crashed after forced landing, near Chino, CA, April 4, 1994.



I thought this crash was caused by no coolant? Not to mention the pilot not having a medical.

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Lynn you're mixing two accidents. Unruly Julie crashed by following the book. GGIII crashed because of a coolant issue.

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Matt Gunsch wrote:
Glenn Wegman wrote:
visaliaaviation wrote:
The question is: Was the DFF fitted for structural or additional fin area considerations?
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Read my above post, and the T.O.

Usually structural components are not installed with non structural screws and dimple washers through enlarged holes. (such as the other empennage fairings and wing fairings.

The "D" manuals clearly show the incorrect routing of the oil system tubes from the engine to oil cooler and back to the reservoir. Many "new" guys have boiled the oil on the first takeoff by folowing the manual.

Would you like to despute/debate that also and claim that all of the flying Mustangs are plumbed incorrectly as the manuals state otherwise?

Glenn


The crash of this 51 was caused by following the manual concerning the oil lines,

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51regis ... 74446.html

- Rebuilt at Chino, CA, 1988-1994.
- First flight April 4, 1994.
- Crashed after forced landing, near Chino, CA, April 4, 1994.



I thought this crash was caused by no coolant? Not to mention the pilot not having a medical.

Thanks

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