Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:44 am
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/apps/pbc ... 1128/OSH01
Patty is charged with a DUI......... If I recall correctly, that means pilot's license problems too.... Not a good thing. I can see a real fight coming over this one.
I've been watching the CAP comments here. Sunday morning a Junior Major General asked me to move back one step onto the pavement by the T-28 parking area. I did it and smiled.........
You see someday in the near future he'll end up somewhere in the Middle East, I'll bet money the first bullet that comes by will make him wonder about his career choice. Getting shot at and paying taxes are two real eye openers in our society, been there and saw both.....
Mark H
Patty is charged with a DUI......... If I recall correctly, that means pilot's license problems too.... Not a good thing. I can see a real fight coming over this one.
I've been watching the CAP comments here. Sunday morning a Junior Major General asked me to move back one step onto the pavement by the T-28 parking area. I did it and smiled.........
You see someday in the near future he'll end up somewhere in the Middle East, I'll bet money the first bullet that comes by will make him wonder about his career choice. Getting shot at and paying taxes are two real eye openers in our society, been there and saw both.....
Mark H
Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:08 am
Indian head wrote:How on earth did she get inoxicated on that stuff you guys drink?!?!?!
Better hope she never comes to Europe, one glass of Leffe and she'd be out for a month....
I'd give her Duvel
Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:47 am
Well, my Dad and I are just about to step out the door for a weekend at the Abbotsford show. I'll add to this when I get back as I just don't have the time right now.
Did Patty make a big mistake? You bet she did. I know as close to firsthand what happened and CAP kids had nothing to do with it, just the Warbird security people who happened to have their eyes open to see what was happening. The gentlemen in the row of T-28's can thank us any time
I'll forgive her at some point but it's hard to be involved in a situation like this when it involves someone you've admired since you were a kid. People do stupid things sometimes (I almost had to punch out my best friend at that golf outing to keep him from driving home). Let's just hope this all gets resolved the best way it can.
Okay, kids... It's off to Canada for me. Be back Sunday night!
Did Patty make a big mistake? You bet she did. I know as close to firsthand what happened and CAP kids had nothing to do with it, just the Warbird security people who happened to have their eyes open to see what was happening. The gentlemen in the row of T-28's can thank us any time
I'll forgive her at some point but it's hard to be involved in a situation like this when it involves someone you've admired since you were a kid. People do stupid things sometimes (I almost had to punch out my best friend at that golf outing to keep him from driving home). Let's just hope this all gets resolved the best way it can.
Okay, kids... It's off to Canada for me. Be back Sunday night!
Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:15 am
Future OSH Security director:
Chicago cop suspended for demanding free Starbucks Thu Aug 7, 11:35 PM ET
A Chicago police officer has been suspended for 15 months for demanding free coffee and baked goods from six different Starbucks.
Officer Barbara Nevers, a 14-year veteran, has also been ordered to undergo counseling.
The Police Board ruled in May that 55-year-old Nevers intimidated Starbucks employees by screaming at them and flashing her badge, handcuffs or gun when they wanted her to pay. The board released its findings Thursday.
Nevers' attorney says her client never used her job to demand coffee. She says some coffeehouses gave it to her for free because she was an officer.
Chicago cop suspended for demanding free Starbucks Thu Aug 7, 11:35 PM ET
A Chicago police officer has been suspended for 15 months for demanding free coffee and baked goods from six different Starbucks.
Officer Barbara Nevers, a 14-year veteran, has also been ordered to undergo counseling.
The Police Board ruled in May that 55-year-old Nevers intimidated Starbucks employees by screaming at them and flashing her badge, handcuffs or gun when they wanted her to pay. The board released its findings Thursday.
Nevers' attorney says her client never used her job to demand coffee. She says some coffeehouses gave it to her for free because she was an officer.
Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:36 am
Is there anyone in a position of authority in Chicago who's not a major piece of garbage? Just askin'.
Rich
Rich
Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:49 am
The airport authority at Meigs, oh wait that isn't there anymore. Nope that was it.
Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:22 am
I know Wendys give cops discounts.
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Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:29 am
Having a had a cousin who was killed by a drunk driver I'm just
not finding the humor in this.
not finding the humor in this.
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Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:38 am
Jack Cook wrote:Having a had a cousin who was killed by a drunk driver I'm just
not finding the humor in this.
I'm with you on this one. There are times when I think the old Hebrew method of stoning for those who commit certain capitol offenses - might not be such a bad idea. Brutal, yes, graphic, yes - but do you think that people would get the point? If one person, who was guilty of a crime died, but it woke people up to the consequences of their actions, and 50% of them stopped drinking and driving and good folks didn't die needless deaths, then maybe it would really be worth it. Folks just get off too easy. I've heard of stories where someone had a habit of getting drunk, had accidents before, killed more than one person in a crash, and only served a minimal amount of time. That's just WRONG.
Certainly getting smashed to death in a car is brutal as well. Now if there is legitimate grounds for dispute over the situation - fine. I'm all for everyone getting a fair trial, but if you can prove to me that someone knowingly took a risk and did something that stupid anyway - well, they don't have my sympathy. They needed to find another way to deal with the stress in their life, or whatever it was that caused them to drink irresponsibly.
Mind you, I'm talking about situations where actual deaths are involved. Not the Wagstaff situation.
Ryan
Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:47 am
Obviously drinking and driving is not a laughing matter, and I see your point Jack.
I myself have a problem with the double-standard in America. Even on this board, every mention of "get-togethers" has to involve alcohol. I consume about 2 cases of beer per year, so I can have a beer or two or not, but you have to admit that there seems to be some hypocrisy in the air when the subject of alcohol is broached.
I have driven "impaired" on about 3 occasions in my life, the most minor impairment being from a few beers, the two others from fatigue. I learned and have changed behavior/eating habits/etc because of it. Today we just seem to have such a blanket reaction to things, free of proportion. I wasn't there, so I don't know the situation, but I'm sure Patty will not let it happen again.
At the same time, I'd bet there are a whole bunch of chronic drunk-drivers on the roads near our homes that our "justice system" does nothing about. In the NYC area, we often hear of people with HUNDREDS of license suspensions, and dozens of drunk-driving convictions. It's funny (sad funny) that people don't seem to demand that these people are kept off the roads. I'm not justifying the Oshkosh incident, just pointing out how I feel about drinking and driving in general in America.
Rich
I myself have a problem with the double-standard in America. Even on this board, every mention of "get-togethers" has to involve alcohol. I consume about 2 cases of beer per year, so I can have a beer or two or not, but you have to admit that there seems to be some hypocrisy in the air when the subject of alcohol is broached.
I have driven "impaired" on about 3 occasions in my life, the most minor impairment being from a few beers, the two others from fatigue. I learned and have changed behavior/eating habits/etc because of it. Today we just seem to have such a blanket reaction to things, free of proportion. I wasn't there, so I don't know the situation, but I'm sure Patty will not let it happen again.
At the same time, I'd bet there are a whole bunch of chronic drunk-drivers on the roads near our homes that our "justice system" does nothing about. In the NYC area, we often hear of people with HUNDREDS of license suspensions, and dozens of drunk-driving convictions. It's funny (sad funny) that people don't seem to demand that these people are kept off the roads. I'm not justifying the Oshkosh incident, just pointing out how I feel about drinking and driving in general in America.
Rich
Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:49 am
Nathan wrote:I know Wendys give cops discounts.
Seeing as about 75% of cops in NJ are fat-assed pricks, that doesn't surprise me.
Rich
Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:28 pm
Don't hold back, Rich, let it out ! 
On a more serious note, got a phone call from my 19 year old daughter this morning ( about 2:00 am ) She was picking up a friend from work and deviated a bit. She was extremely upset when I answered ( so was I, she was supposed to be home by then ). She proceeded to tell me that she was just down the road from our house and driven up on a terrible wreck. Apparently it had just happened as there were no first responders there when she arrived on scene. She was not involved in the accident but knew all three young men involved. It was a single car accident and they had lost control and hit two pine trees in quick succession. The vehicle was a Ford Escape, both right side wheels had been ripped off of the vehicles and it was upside down. One of the boys had crawled out but his arm had been drug along the pavement and he had a head injury. His brother was laying in the middle of the street. The driver, 18 years old had just graduated, left the scene. Katie checked the boy in the road for a pulse but found none. She tried to comfort his brother but due to his injuries could do little else but try to keep him conscious. She found out that the boys had been out partying and were supposedly under several influences. When I got there Life Flight was setting up for landing. Unfortunately he didn't survive. A 21 year old new graduate from UT is needlessy dead, his brother severely injured. The driver ? Several young people found out about the wreck and came by to see what was going on at the behest of the missing driver, they professed no knowledge of his whereabouts to police when asked by police. My daughter tried to get them to do the right thing since they had first hand knowledge of his location. They continued to say that they didn't know anything until they finally left the scene. Katie than told one of the officers what she had been told by these individuals. They knew the boy and where he turned out to be hiding. This morning we found out that he has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Needless to say that those phone calls late at night are every parent's worst nightmare. I thank the good Lord that she and her friend were not involved in the incident. I hope that this accident has a profound effrect on the kids in town, it may for a while but when you are young, you are invincible and it will never happen to me.
On a more serious note, got a phone call from my 19 year old daughter this morning ( about 2:00 am ) She was picking up a friend from work and deviated a bit. She was extremely upset when I answered ( so was I, she was supposed to be home by then ). She proceeded to tell me that she was just down the road from our house and driven up on a terrible wreck. Apparently it had just happened as there were no first responders there when she arrived on scene. She was not involved in the accident but knew all three young men involved. It was a single car accident and they had lost control and hit two pine trees in quick succession. The vehicle was a Ford Escape, both right side wheels had been ripped off of the vehicles and it was upside down. One of the boys had crawled out but his arm had been drug along the pavement and he had a head injury. His brother was laying in the middle of the street. The driver, 18 years old had just graduated, left the scene. Katie checked the boy in the road for a pulse but found none. She tried to comfort his brother but due to his injuries could do little else but try to keep him conscious. She found out that the boys had been out partying and were supposedly under several influences. When I got there Life Flight was setting up for landing. Unfortunately he didn't survive. A 21 year old new graduate from UT is needlessy dead, his brother severely injured. The driver ? Several young people found out about the wreck and came by to see what was going on at the behest of the missing driver, they professed no knowledge of his whereabouts to police when asked by police. My daughter tried to get them to do the right thing since they had first hand knowledge of his location. They continued to say that they didn't know anything until they finally left the scene. Katie than told one of the officers what she had been told by these individuals. They knew the boy and where he turned out to be hiding. This morning we found out that he has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Needless to say that those phone calls late at night are every parent's worst nightmare. I thank the good Lord that she and her friend were not involved in the incident. I hope that this accident has a profound effrect on the kids in town, it may for a while but when you are young, you are invincible and it will never happen to me.
Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:34 pm
RickH wrote:Don't hold back, Rich, let it out !
On a more serious note, got a phone call from my 19 year old daughter this morning ( about 2:00 am ) She was picking up a friend from work and deviated a bit. She was extremely upset when I answered ( so was I, she was supposed to be home by then ). She proceeded to tell me that she was just down the road from our house and driven up on a terrible wreck. Apparently it had just happened as there were no first responders there when she arrived on scene. She was not involved in the accident but knew all three young men involved. It was a single car accident and they had lost control and hit two pine trees in quick succession. The vehicle was a Ford Escape, both right side wheels had been ripped off of the vehicles and it was upside down. One of the boys had crawled out but his arm had been drug along the pavement and he had a head injury. His brother was laying in the middle of the street. The driver, 18 years old had just graduated, left the scene. Katie checked the boy in the road for a pulse but found none. She tried to comfort his brother but due to his injuries could do little else but try to keep him conscious. She found out that the boys had been out partying and were supposedly under several influences. When I got there Life Flight was setting up for landing. Unfortunately he didn't survive. A 21 year old new graduate from UT is needlessy dead, his brother severely injured. The driver ? Several young people found out about the wreck and came by to see what was going on at the behest of the missing driver, they professed no knowledge of his whereabouts to police when asked by police. My daughter tried to get them to do the right thing since they had first hand knowledge of his location. They continued to say that they didn't know anything until they finally left the scene. Katie than told one of the officers what she had been told by these individuals. They knew the boy and where he turned out to be hiding. This morning we found out that he has been charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Needless to say that those phone calls late at night are every parent's worst nightmare. I thank the good Lord that she and her friend were not involved in the incident. I hope that this accident has a profound effrect on the kids in town, it may for a while but when you are young, you are invincible and it will never happen to me.
I've made too many of those phone calls, and held too many hands after informing them their loved one will not be coming home.....
Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:36 pm
There isn't a week that goes by that I don't see one of these calls. it is bad for all involved, but I always feel worse for the person that gets hurt by the DUI driver.
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Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:39 pm
and don't have sex on the runway either 