Stukas?

[PeterA]

Steve Nelson,

Nice shots and the best I have seen in this location.

With no tripod and pre digital, I failed miserably.

Can you please post shots of the Spitfire?

PeterA

[Obergrafeter]

The least they could do is rig the ailerons!

[Steve T]

Hi all--

It may have been referred to via a vector further up the thread, but there was another fairly-complete Ju87 recovered recently, from the seabed off the Greek island of Rhodes. Showed up in most of the mags. There are other significant remains around also, but only the two museum Ju87s (Chicago's R model and Hendon's G) are really complete.

I can vouch for the comment about the paint on Chicago's Stuka, having found a 40s-vintage photo of it as a warprize in Canada before it went stateside eventually to find a home in Chicago; virtually every visible detail of the paintwork in the old snap is identical to the Stuka as it still appears in the museum. A truly remarkable survivor. Yes, it could use a thorough dusting...but here's to the Chicago Museum of Science & Industry for having had the foresight not to let "A5+HL" get the chop!

BTW I'd be surprised if the paint of the Spitfire Ia isn't original too: it's ocean grey and green on top, with C/C1 roundels and the late-war fin flashes; one would expect a brown/green/A/A1 roundels "Battle of Britain" finish on a Spit Ia in a museum--not this Mk.IX-like livery. My guess? Like AR213, P9306 became a trainer, and finished the war in the correct late-style paint...then the folks in Chicago snagged another rare Warbird for posterity, never "backdating" the paint in the years since. I'm guessing Peter A would know whether my guess is on the mark...

S.

[bdk]

The Stuke in Chicago is original. It was damaged a number of years ago while being lowered for cleaning and was repaired by the EAA, which is when it prob got the T-6 feet. The engine was removed due to weight, but I believe the museum still has it in storage.

I remember seeing this plane on display at the old EAA museum in Hales Corners, WI. They had the engine sitting next to it whcih had a flak hole in the crankcase.

[mennie]

This is the one at the RAF Museum Hendon, in a very dark part:




I took these a few months ago.

[Dan K]

So how complete/incomplete is this example? Any pics?

(from preservedaxisaircraft)

Ju 87R-2 0875709 LI+KZ
1./St.G.5 Recovered from Russia 1998?
IV(St)/LG 1 aka I./StG 5 Reported sold in USA and the Flying heritage collection in Seattle.

[DaveM2]

Dan

I did a Survivors article for CW Issue 44. Bottom shot shows as it was recovered in 1998, but FHC have gathered more parts since, including engines.

Dave

[Dan K]

Thanks Dave.

Here's hoping that at least a little progress has been accomplished since those last photos!

[PeterA]

BTW I'd be surprised if the paint of the Spitfire Ia isn't original too: it's ocean grey and green on top, with C/C1 roundels and the late-war fin flashes; one would expect a brown/green/A/A1 roundels "Battle of Britain" finish on a Spit Ia in a museum--not this Mk.IX-like livery. My guess? Like AR213, P9306 became a trainer, and finished the war in the correct late-style paint...then the folks in Chicago snagged another rare Warbird for posterity, never "backdating" the paint in the years since. I'm guessing Peter A would know whether my guess is on the mark...

S.

Steve,

Yes this is period un-restored 'fresh' livery from August 1944 when P9306 and four other Mk I Spitfires at 52 MU Cardiff were set aside for museum purposes. Long sighted to say the least, K9942, X4590, P9444 and R6915 now grace our RAFMus, Battle of Britain Museum annexe, Science Museum and Imperial War Museum respectively. The latter like P9306 is still in the original 1944 re-paint.

PeterA

[PeterA]

In the early 1990's when I was directly involved in the conduit of WWII aircraft coming out of Russia, these photographs were supplied for consideration.

DavM2 - do you recognize it?

PeterA

[DaveM2]

Peter

I believe this is the current DTM example, that went to Jim Pearce, Tim Wallis and then Berlin ( they received two from Wanaka, one a lot more smashed than this, which later went to Glenn Lacey)

Dave

[Steve Nelson]

Can you please post shots of the Spitfire?

Here ya go, Peter!








One more of the Stuka..note the shrapnel holes in the underside..I don't know if this bird was hit in the air and force-landed, or was shot up on the ground and overrun and captured by the Allies. Either way, she's a real time capsule. One thing I noticed, is that it appears the underside was originally painted RLM 65, but all the stencillnig was masked off when it was given a coat of RLM 82.

Cheers!

Steve

[global111]

This aircraft (5856 /L1+BL) looked like this in September 2006



Apologies for the quality of the images

[Richard W.]

The Chicago Stuka certainly looks odd without it's wheel spats.

It's strange that the Russians didn't save one for a trophy.

[global111]

It seems that there is a 3/4 replica at Monino

there is also another Ju87 wreck at Sinsheim werk no 1301643 and it looks like this:

(Many thanks to http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/ for that pic)