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What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 2007

Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United
States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the
Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the
United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity
drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the
U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of
Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to
Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of
America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare
Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500
Jefferson books archived in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in
college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed
that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be
gleaned from many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing
wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time
Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything
possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a
subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but,
which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who
over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of
thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic
"Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the
African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and
seizing slaves.

The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal
villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim
raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and
women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women
and children could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as
concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the
sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many
as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their
fortunes allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to
create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets
of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch
stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary
surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small
number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the
surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776,
American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no
American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and
their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under
the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling
Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being
destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784
to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress
appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas
Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.
Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the
Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the
Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to
retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved
sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to
get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again.
Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the
demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the
medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force
an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and
Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London
with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador
to Britain.

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on
Congress' vote to appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador
why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with
which they had no previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future
presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja
had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their
Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who
should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that
it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they
could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as
Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain
in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the
Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American
ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom
and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government
annual revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he
dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in
the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense
but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by
deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to
the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS
Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.
In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt
into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the
freeing of all American slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States,
crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and
on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon
slavery and piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine
Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores
of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on
the sea."

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the
total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to
put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about
Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn
about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.


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Your preaching to the Choir! I hope our troops are sending more of them to heaven


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Your preaching to the Choir! I hope our troops are sending more of them to heaven


Barbary pirates? Goodness, I think they're all there by now.

Or perhaps you just mean Muslims. Well, if the actions of the Barbary pirates justify sending all Muslims to heaven, then certainly the actions of the Crusaders and the Inquisitors justify sending all Christians there as well.

Seriously, I hope the article by Mr Sampley was posted as a joke. It's one of the most ignorant and bigoted things I've read in a while. :shock:

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Seriously, I hope the article by Mr Sampley was posted as a joke. It's one of the most ignorant and bigoted things I've read in a while. :shock:

August


Your personal feelings aside, it is historically accurate though. Unless you can prove that these events never took place, in which case, Mr. Sampley would have written not only a bigoted article, but also historical lies.

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It is not historically accurate. It is composed of biased half-truths.

The author has no idea why Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran. Everything he says about that is pure speculation.

The author tries to smear Islam by inserting the word "Muslim" before any mention of the Barbary pirates. The author ignores the other half of the truth: that the pirates were not always supported by the governments of the Muslim nations and, on the contrary, were actively opposed and fought by many Muslims -- at times alongside the US marines, who did not march across the "dessert" (was it a cheesecake?) all by themselves. The author's tactic is comparable to writing an essay about the Holocaust but inserting the word "Christian" in front of any mention of "Nazi", then tagging all Christians with responsibity for the Holocaust as if they all supported or participated in it.

The author pretends that the Barbary pirates were motivated by the Quran, by religion or by jihad. This is false. Piracy was an economic enterprise. That is why the pirates could be bought off.

The author discusses slavery as if the US was opposed to it at the time, which of course is absurd. The author draws special attention to the fact that many slaves taken by the Barbary pilots were European Christians, implying that this was worse than the contemporary US practice of enslaving black Africans whose religions we never bothered to figure out. Reading the article, one would never guess that Jefferson had slaves (187 of them!) in his fields and in his bed.

To see atrocities carried out in the name of religion, consider the United States during the same period and through the early nineteenth century. The Barbary pirates attacked several dozen ships, raided some coastal towns, and generally made a nuisance of themselves, while the US practiced systematic serial genocide of native American populations. The US invoked the name of God far more in committing its atrocities than the pirates ever did, although like most things done in the name of God, it was mostly a pretext. You could cut a deal with the Barbary pirates to leave you alone and, amazingly for such an unruly group, they would abide by it as long as you kept up the payments. When native Americans reached agreements with the US, they were broken before the ink was dry.

The idea that the US brought down the Barbary pirates is just laughable. The British and Dutch actually did that. The United States in the early 1800s was not a global defender of democracy and freedom, it was a small rogue state, a repressive Protestant theocracy that committed some of the worst human rights abuses of the time under the banner of God's will and its own manifest destiny. In some ways it was not very unlike Iraq under Saddam.

This country can be proud of how far it has come since those times, but to rewrite history in the service of religious intolerance demeans this country's achievements and all who have suffered for them.

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Well done August...couldn't have said it better myself. :wink:

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Thank you for your elaborate answer.

Something that I failed to consider, heck, I did not even remember it, was slavery in the US during the same time period.

Would you have any suggestions regarding reading materials on this very Barbary Pirates subject?

I would think that the truth lies somewhere in between your position, and that of the author of the article.

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Sorry to have started this. I kind of agree with Tulio. However, I feel that the difference between the Barbary pirates, and the
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small rogue state, a repressive Protestant theocracy that committed some of the worst human rights abuses of the time under the banner of God's will and its own manifest destiny
is that the Barbary pirates were acting completely within the tenants of their religion and worldview, where the United States was wrong, it was precisely because we were NOT following the teachings of true Christianity. The problem is not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting, but that often it has not been seriously tried.
I guess when I posted the article it interested me because of the irony of the congressman's statements in the light of one possible interpretation of why Jefferson (who was definately NOT an orthodox Christian) would've had the Quran.
For the record I am not in favor of the way thing's have gone with our country's military and foriegn policies of late. I tend to be more of an isolationist unless there's clear justification for defensive action, or for going after someone like in Afghanistan, where we know who the bad guys were and where they were hiding. I just wish we'd've tried harder in Afghanistan.

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Ryan, the comments you make about Christianity's true teaching and the fact that it has not been seriously tried are EXACTLY what many Muslims are currently telling us about Islam. I simply do not know enough about the faith to have any idea whether that is true. If it is like other religions, I suspect that you can find something to justify any course of action in its holy books somewhere.

For that matter, although I know a little about Christianity, there are enough contradictory strains all of which can be traced back to the early times that I have no idea what "true" Christianity is either, or whether there is any such thing. All I know is that the faith as actually lived by people over the past couple of millennia has been at times pacifist and merciful and at other times intolerant and violent, and that like Islam, it has often been co-opted by those in power to serve distinctly earthly ends.

As for Tulio's question about a good historical source on the Barbary pirates, I'll confess I don't know the scholarly literature there. My interest in pirates ended when I discovered that nobody associated with them actually bore the slightest resemblance to Keira Knightley -- another lie by the liberal media!

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August,

I made a comment on your posting, based on my limited knowledge regarding the Barbary Pirates. It doesn't mean that I don't know anything about the subject, but it also doesn't mean that I have a scholarly level of knowledge on them.

Your answer though, gave me some food for thought, and evidently and immediately I realized that there were aspects of the matter that I had not even considered.

It is though, an historic fact that the Barbary pirates were peoples from the North of Africa, which had been under some kind of arab / muslim control for several centuries.

Thus, my interest -that I will certainly pursue- on finding out more about these different aspects on the matter at hand.

If you, or anyone reading this thread comes across a book on the subject, please let me know.

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