Warbird Information Exchange

You wouldn't think that the USAF would have an issue with a Thunderstreak taken to the sky again. To say F-84s can't fly but F-86s can doesn't make sense to me. But again I'm only in the bleachers watching the game.

Also there might be difficulty if an American citizen wanted to buy a foriegn operated F-84F. As the were all issued USAF serials before being sold to their respective Air Forces and probably fall under some Weapons Assistance Trade program. Which wouldn't allow them to be privately owned and operated.

Shay
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Paul, doesn't surprise me that you guys were contacted after 9-11. The bureaucrats are afraid of the people they work for. Common sense has no bearing on their thinking. They are worried about a 50+ year old airplane simply because it has an "F" designation, nevermind that it might be totally impractical for ANY bad guy to use it in a threatining manner ! The last bad guys they dealt with used B-757s full of thousands of pounds of fuel to do their dirty work. So what do our govt heroes do ? They start verifying that long dead severely obsolete aircraft are still chained to the ground ! On the UH-1s, why should they care ? There are thousands out in the real world as well as bigger,better,newer, and more accessible civilian helicopters all over this country that are more suitable for bad guy work than a couple of old Hueys! How stupid.

On the F-84/F-86 comment. News flash The same people in the USAF, NMUSAF, and FAA who won't let an F-84 fly don't want an F-86 to fly, they also don't like the T-33, T-38, T-28,F-4, A-4, F-104, etc... flying. If they had a mechanism to ground and seize them, they would. Their take on those types of aircraft flying is that somehow the individuals that own and operate them are rogues who have somehow worked outside of carefully crafted rules that were put in place to specifically keep them from flying. I have seen letters accusing us of being irresponsible, thieves, and a danger to the system that could cause the very downfall of the National Museum system !

We actually had some lame brain write in a letter that the Navy was very uneasy about releasing a tactical jet aircraft (TA-4 Skyhawk) to civilians in light of 9-11. Nevermind that legislation had been passed into law mandating that it happen. I pointed out that we were talking about an 11,000 lb aircraft that with full fuel carried about 10,000 lb. You also don't just jump into a vintage jet, start it up and go. It takes some effort to get it into the air.

Paranoia, that's all it is paranoia.

I'm just going from memory here, but I seem to remember we (Belgium) lost a fair number due to engine problems. On the other hand, wouldn't be the first time my failing memory is wrong

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Magister Aviation
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I agree with Rick. I am starting to see more and more that the government would rather see a plane get destroyed then go to a museum that wants to fly it. A B-52, I can see the worries, but stuff like the F-84, F-86, F-105. Come on. I argued with the NMUSAF about getting some smal parts off of a C-123 in the desert that is never going to be used to the Air America Foundation. They would not hear it.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

Importation and operation are two completely different things. The ATF&E needs to approve the importation on a Form 6 as Significant Military Equipment. The state department deals with approving importation of aircraft that were given away under Lend-Lease or a Military Assistance Program. The FAA deals with airworthiness issues. If you have ownership I don't see how the FAA could prevent you from flying unless they refused to issue an airworthiness certificate or issued onerous operating limitations.

I had a visit from a Three Letter Agency post 9-11 regarding a certain warbird project in the hangar.

You know how dangerous those Stearmans are.

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No kidding, you too??? I had the same results a few months ago! The NMUSAF seems to have an odd policy of not partaking in any trades that would not otherwise benefit/advance the collection held at the Nat. Museum itself. But on the same note they told me they may be releasing a quantity of -123 parts in storage at AMARC in the near future. At least we're on the list to be notified now! If anyone out there has a C-123 APU throttle cable, e-mail me!!

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Here is the one off of the runway at KAGC. it is all there, but in rough shape.





Along with the F-84 is an F-4, and an A-7

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

Hey Mustangdriver, is anyone from Dayton still talking to you ?

No, not really. Since I talked to them about the F-105, and the Air America C-123. I don't hink they like me anymore. THe volunteers and I get along great, and that is what is important.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

I sent some correspondence to Gen. Metcalf back in Sept. I still have yet to recieve response.

Shay
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Semper Fortis

Thanks for posting the pictures. Can't quite tell that it's an F84 under the tarps. Is it an F model? I searched on Google earth and never did find it at KAGC.
David

The sad thing is that it is an RF-84. If you are looking at the airport on google earth, look at the north east corner of the airport. The runway crosses a road. To the North west of this road is a large warehouse. They sit in the parking lot straight north of this building.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Director

I would have never found them if you hadn't clued me in. Not recognizeable as aircraft. I did a trial run on the F84 in Kenosha Wi to see what it should look like. Totally different disassembled.
Thanks
David

Hi;

There is a complete RF84F[Minus tail section] at the vo-tec school in Thief River Falls This one was also used for engine runups try googling Thanks Mike

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