How difficult would it be...

Glenn · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:30 pm **Posts:** 76

to build a flyable replica PZL P.11 (or several to sell to museums--ala. Me-262's in Washington State)

Many times I have seen the Tora Tora Tora CAF battle scene of a Zero and a P-40 over Texas or the mock battle of a Spitfire and Me-109 in England.

Got to thinking, since there is only one static PZL P.11 in existence and that was one of the allies first blood drawn in Europe. How impressive it would be to see a PZL P.11 take to the air in a mock battle against a 109 or to meet a Casa/He-111 preparing to "bomb" the field.

Anyone got any ideas as to where to start on this thought? Diagrams? What type of engine could be used?

Glenn

Mudge · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:57 pm

OK...Ignorance rears it's ugly head again.

What's a PZL P.11?

Mudge the ignorant
:shock:

Former Member · **Joined:** Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:40 pm **Posts:** 1493

I'd love to see one of the new replica ME 262's participate in a mock attack run on a flight of B-17's...would make for an excellent airshow!

Hint....hint...hint...to you guys planning the next EAA Airventure. :wink:

John

Glenn · **Joined:** Thu Dec 30, 2004 6:30 pm **Posts:** 76

To Mudge:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/gnys/gnys.htm

Dan K · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:26 pm

OK...Ignorance rears it's ugly head again.

What's a PZL P.11?

Mudge the ignorant

C'mon Mudge you old coot; It's called "google." Type a few words and you get stuff like this:

http://www.histoiredumonde.net/images/2 ... /intro.jpg

Happy Holidays, big guy!

Dan the facetious (yet helpful)

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:50 pm

Quote:

C'mon Mudge you old coot; It's called "google." Type a few words and you get stuff like this: http://www.histoiredumonde.net/images/2 ... /intro.jpg
Happy Holidays, big guy!
Dan the facetious (yet helpful)

Jack the slightly amused

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:53 pm

Jack Cook wrote:

Quote:

C'mon Mudge you old coot; It's called "google." Type a few words and you get stuff like this: http://www.histoiredumonde.net/images/2 ... /intro.jpg
Happy Holidays, big guy!
Dan the facetious (yet helpful)

Jack the slightly amused

Jerry, the slightly more amused than Jack.

Mudge · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:34 pm

Oh, THAT PZL P.11
Thanks

Mudge the mollified

ps. Always happy to be a source of entertainment for youse troops. :shock:

Dan K · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:36 pm

Well, I wasn't trying to be amusing--just facetious.

So then I tried putting "Mudge" into google and got this:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E ... ZZZZZZ.jpg

Now THAT'S amusing! :wink:

And to the real Mudge: Please don't be angry...I can still run faster scared than you can mad! Next round is on me!!

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:39 pm

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Now THAT'S amusing!

That's the funniest thing I've seen since looking in the mirror this morning!

Mudge · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:01 pm

That does have an eerie resemblance to me when I was about 14.

I'm not the least bit angry. If I can't take a little ribbing, I don't belong here.

Mudge the lovely :oops:

Elwyn · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:30 pm

Many years ago at Oshkosh I remember seeing 1/2 or 3/4 scale version someone had started but I don't know if it was ever finished.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:56 pm

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How difficult would it be...

to put the subject in the thread title? :wink:

As to the P-11c, for those that started the war in 1939, it was the first fighter to go into combat against the Germans - the first to achieve kills against Messerschmitt 109s and Heinkel 111s, and flown by pilots who were an elite in their day. (For those that started in '41 it was ancient history, while those that prefer 1937, it was way in the future...) Trouble was, it was the best in the world in 1937 - and was used in 1939, when the rate of develoipment was exceptional.

Our book on the subject: http://mmpbooks.biz/books/8391717852/8391717852p.htm

There's one surviving P-11c in the world, a treasure of the Polish Air Force Museum. The good news is that it's been run up on some occasions, but isn't flown - it really is too valuable. (Imagine the P-40, P-5, P-38 and P-47 all rolled into one and you had only one left...)

Mark Hanna of The Old Flying Machine Co. explored the possibility of a limited prodiction run of replicas but it never happened and he was later killed.

Technically it's perfectly possible - there's no great difficulty, and an engine could be managed for reps. It would be a unique shape in the sky. Like a lot of things, it would just take money - lots of it and sadly too many people 'do a Mudge' (What's that?) and go for the ever popular P-51 instead...

Here's for aeronautical diversity!

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

Fixed gear and ugly. Is there a market for these? This aircraft certianly is no beauty like the F3F!

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:14 pm

bdk wrote:

Fixed gear and ugly.

Clearly you aren't Polish...

The advantage from a rebuild point of view is a fixed gear is one less thing for the pilot to forget.

As to 'ugly', well, that's a personal view.

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Is there a market for these? This aircraft certianly is no beauty like the F3F!

Sadly, evidently, no, there desn't seem to be a market. In history terms a good case can be made that the P-11c is a lot more historically important than the F3F, as a combat 'plane certainly. Technically, there's less in it than one might think. In a book of 'Great Fighters' I've got they both feature. (Not that I dislike the F3F - nice barrel. Can you get one full of wine?)

Fundimentally, the problem is that it's not American, and so ignorance makes a big strike aganist it.

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