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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:36 pm 
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Not too many B-17F's seen during the war in Natural Metal Finish (NMF) other than a few B-17E's converted to personal VIP transports.

Boeing B-17F-1-BO: 41-24340 "Cap’n & The Kids" aka "Miss Em"

Aircraft History
Built by Boeing at Seattle. Constructors Number 3038. On June 11, 1942 delivered to the U.S. Army Air Force (USAAF) as B-17F-1-BO Flying Fortress serial number 41-24353. Ferried overseas via Hickam Field then across the Pacific to Australia. Flown by Lt. James T. Murphy via Hickam Field then across the Pacific to Australia.

Wartime History
Assigned to the 5th Air Force (5th AF), 43rd Bombardment Group (43rd BG), 63rd Bombardment Squadron (63rd BS). Nicknamed "Cap'n & The Kids". The left side of the nose included a scoreboard including Japanese flags indicating aircraft claimed shot down, ship silhouettes and bomb markings for missions flown.

Regularly flown by Captain Edward W. Scott, Jr. a pioneer of "skip bombing" low level bombing to skip bombs on the surface into enemy ships.

On January 21, 1943 piloted by Edward W. Scott, Jr. took off on a mission against enemy shipping off Rabaul. Over the target, dropped a 500lbs bomb alongside a 8,000 ton transport. The explosion caused it to lift out of the water and the crew were observed trying to beach the damaged ship.

On March 13, 1943 this B-17 made a low level skip bomb attack from 200' against a Japanese tanker then continued the bomb run on a second ship nearby, causing both to sink.

On September 5, 1943, this B-17, took off from 7-Mile Drome with Lt. General George C. Kenney aboard to observe the U.S. Army 503rd Parachute Infantry Regiment (503rd PIR) paratrooper drop over Nadzab. The flight was dubbed by General Kenney as the "Brass Hat's Flight". Also in the flight was B-17F "The Mustang" 41-24554 carrying General Richard Sutherland, plus B-17F "Talisman" 41-24537 with General MacArthur aboard.

On October 18, 1943 took off piloted by F/O Halbert Miller on a weather reconnaissance over Rabaul, but aborted on the way to the target near Gasmata due to bad weather with a 200' ceiling. This was the B-17's last combat mission with the 43rd Bombardment Group.

In total, this bomber flew eighty combat missions with the 43rd Bombardment Group (43rd BG) based at 7-Mile Drome over New Guinea and the vicinity.

During early November 1943, converted to an armed transport at Garbutt Field by the the 4th Air Depot. During the conversion, the Sperry ball turret was removed and the bomb bay was modified with trays to air drop cargo. On February 23, 1944 assigned to the 433rd Troop Carrier Wing (433rd TCW), 69th Troop Carrier Squadron (69th TCS).

On March 2, 1944 took off from Finschafen Airfield piloted by Captain A. J. Beck on a mission to air drop supplies to ground forces and strafe enemy positions on Los Negros. Over the target, Beck was intercepted by four Japanese fighters including a Ki-61 Tony.

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This B-17 continued to serve as a NMF armed transport until August 1944.

Next overhauled and converted into a personal transport for U.S. Army Major General Robert L. Eichelberger. Nicknamed "Miss Em" by Eichelberger in honor of his wife, Emaline whose nickname was "Em" with the nose art of a rose. The flight crew included his personal pilot Major Downer the former C.O. of the 403rd BG plus his former crew including crew chief and engineer MSgt Charles R. Cole.

Based at Hollandia, this B-17 logged a total of 160 flights over 141 days (including 63 combat missions) flying for Eichelberger in New Guinea and the Philippines. Last flown on August 6, 1945 transporting the Eichelberger to Nichols Field near Manila.

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During April 1946 scrapped at Tacloban Airfield on Leyte.



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"On 11 June 1942, a B-17 Flying Fortress (tail number #41-24353) was delivered to the 63rd Bomb Squadron (43rd Bomb Group). Named “Cap’n and the Kids”, the aircraft was flown to Australia by Lt James T. Murphy. Shortly after arriving in the Pacific Theater, Captain Edward W. Scott, Jr. (a pioneer of skip-bombing tactics), was assigned to her as pilot.

“Cap’n and the Kids” would tally up an impressive record while fighting against the Imperial Forces of Japan. She sank two Japanese ships on a single bombing run on 13 March 1943. On this occasion, Scott picked a 4,000 ton tanker and made a low level skip-bombing run from an altitude of 200 feet. Scott “skipped” his bombs into his target. The Japanese ship was seen bursting apart. Scott continued his bombing run at the same altitude and selected another victim. Once again the bomber scored hits which caused explosions on both sides of the enemy vessel. This deadly bomber would make her last flight with the 63rd Bomb Squadron on 18 October 1943 when she served as a "weather ship" on an aborted bombing mission to Rabaul. She was then sent to the “bone yard” as the Squadron began receiving their new B-24 Liberators.

“Cap’n and the Kids” sat on the field with the 4th Air Depot Group at Garbutt Field in Townsville, Australia. Although, she defiantly displayed the many badges of combat on her nose, (94 bombs drops, five enemy fighters and 8 ships), she was cannibalized for parts and unflyable. Salvation would come, however, when she was selected for a new mission. In November of 1943, the old bomber was modified to serve in the capacity as an armed transport. The bomb racks and shackles were removed and replaced by two aluminium canisters suited for air drops. The underside of each canister was fastened with hinges which were electrically operated with T-Handles by the Pilot. Although the ball turret was removed, all the other gun positions were kept. After the necessary modifications, the Cap’n was assigned to the 69th Troop Carrier Squadron, 433rd Troop Carrier Group on 23 February 1944. 5th Air Force was receiving requests for airdrops in areas where unarmed C-47’s wouldn’t dare venture. With this reborn bomber, it was now possible to supply troops at the forward lines of battle.

The “Cap’n and the Kids” was flown next by Capt. Ulysses S. Algee as Pilot and Co-pilot James Liptak of the 69th Troop Carrier Squadron. On one particular mission, Mr. Liptak recalls, the aircraft and her crew were tasked to a small island in the Admiralties named Momote. The mission required that the crew airdrop supplies to some Marines who had recently taken a small airstrip. The ousted Japanese forces concentrated their forces in a large coconut grove on the opposite side of the strip preventing unarmed transport aircraft from landing. Basically the runway was “no-man’s land”, but the Marines requested the drop on the runway and the Cap’n was happy to oblige. The large bomber made a high speed pass and dropped the supplies while taking small arms fire from the trees. Once the Marines tried to retrieve their supplies, enemy fire opened up on them as well sending them back for cover. With the supplies unclaimed on the strip, the Marines radioed to the Cap’n for her assistance. The B-17 then made another pass (this time over the coconut grove) and strafed the enemy positions. On this pass the gunners used up most of their precious ammunition for her defence but they were pleased to have helped out.

The Marines retrieved their supplies and the Cap’n climbed out to twenty thousand feet for the return flight home. Suddenly the right waist gunner called out, “five Japanese, nine O’clock high.” Five Tony fighters were on a patrol in the area had spotted the unescorted. Captain Algee frantically radioed for the assistance of allied fighters in the area.

The lead Japanese aircraft couldn’t resist the temptation of a lone bomber and peeled off for an attack 90 degrees to the bomber’s right. Things didn’t work out in his favour, however. The right waist gunner hammered the fighter with his remaining ammunition as he closed in. The wounded Tony passed overhead the Cap’n making him an easy target for the left waist gunner who finished him off easily! Seeing their lead aircraft shot down, the remaining four fighters hesitated in pressing their luck with the deadly bomber. It didn’t take long for a flight of P-39’s to intercept them and ruin their day as well shooting them all down. The two waist gunners given credit for the shoot down were from the 67th Troop Carrier Squadron.

The "Cap’n and the Kids" would claim one more Japanese fighter for the 433rd TCG on another air drop mission to Hollandia. The aircraft would remain in the service of the Group until August of 1944. Then the aircraft would suddenly be taken away from the Group.

The role of the B-17 serving with the troop carrier squadrons would come to an end when stories of mischievous flying activities filtered back to the 5th Air Force. Allied forces during the war isolated many of the large Japanese positions by cutting their lines of supply and reinforcements. Cutoff from the outside world (with no one to fight), over a hundred thousand Imperial troops would be left to starve and wallow in combat ineffectiveness. Apparently, an unidentified B-17 from a troop carrier outfit was dumping trash over the Japanese field of Wewak. It was learned that the Japanese were eating the trash thus undermining General Douglas MacArthur’s grand strategy. It wouldn’t take long for the B-17’s to be unceremoniously taken away from the troop carriers.

The story was not over for the Cap’n however. The veteran bomber was next assigned to the Eighth Army Commander General Robert L. Eichelberger. Eichelberger renamed the veteran bomber Miss Em' for his wife, Emaline and had all of the proud and deserved badges of war removed from her nose. With a nose clean and void of the testimonies of aerial achievement, Major Charles Downer was assigned to her as the new pilot. He signed for her at Townsville on 11 September 1944 and three days later flew her to Hollandia. Downer would fly 63 combat missions and 97 flights in 141 days. On 6 August l945, Downer’s last flight in 'Miss Em' was to Manila’s Nichols Field.

Throughout her long career, the veteran bomber received credit for flying 80 missions, sinking 8 enemy vessels, shooting down 10 Japanese fighters and making 94 bomb drops. With the war over, she was finally scrapped at Tacloban, Leyte in April of 1946, thus ending her distinguished service.

The story of “Cap’n and the Kids” was compiled through phone interviews with Mr. James Liptak of Spokane Washington and Mr. Jack Burns of Little Rock, Arkansas. Additionally, Mr. Jimmie Riche of Spring, Texas found excerpts of the Cap’n in a book he owns named “Backload”. Mr. Mark Styling of Dorset, England provided me with references from the book “Pride of Seattle, The Story of the First 300 B-17F’s” published by Squadron Signa and written by Steve Birdsall.

During my investigation of armed transports with troop carrier squadrons, I have found references concerning six B-17’s assigned to troop carrier squadrons. They are #41-2662 (Spawn of Hell), #41-2072(name unknown), #41-24353 (Cap’n and the Kids), #41-2357 (name unknown), #41-24381 (Panama Hattie) and #41-24420 (Super Snooper). Except for the “Cap’n and the Kids” I have not found enough information to tell the stories of these old bombers; however, I’m still looking!"


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Cool post, Mark. Great story.

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Cap’n & The Kids was also unusual in being, as far as we know, the only 43rd Bomb Group B-17 with black-painted undersurfaces for night missions. We believe that was done in February 1943.

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Also note Cap'n looks like it gained a set of newer late F/G main wheels?
Boeing Bee/Great White Bird/Patricia 42-29782 also went to NMF late in its career:
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Nice images! My question/comment is that weren't all of the NMF B-17Fs posted were AFTER they transitioned to a non-combat role such at a VB or CB designation?

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Attn shoppers: Yet another stripped-to-NMF B-17F; 42-3515 was a combat veteran per Osborne:
David Osborne wrote:
42-3515 Del Denver 21/7/43; Hill 20/8/43; Ass 423BS/306BG [RD-O] Thurleigh 21/9/43; tran 482BG Alconbury 30/3/44; RetUS Bradley 4/6/44; RFC Kingman 19/11/45.

No cheek gun positions and a tapered fairing on the tail stinger; some general's ride?
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Lt. General George Kenny's aircraft,Boeing B-17E "Sally" Aircraft Serial Number 41-2633, Was the only Flying Fortress In New Guinea with Its natural aluminum finish. Taken at Port Moresby, New Guinea. 20 March 1943.
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It's not a B-17F but rather a B-17F with its own interesting story.

I reworked a 2015 posting on B-17E 41-9109 flew in NMF for two years in Italy as a transport.

https://www.aerovintage.com/2024/08/28/the-story-of-nobbys-harriet-z/

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The RCAF's small fleet of Fortresses (three F's *9202-9204* and three E's *9205-9207*) used in mail service with 168 Sqn out of Rockcliffe ended up being stripped to bare metal by the end of the war.

Only three of them survived that long, however with 9203, 9204, & 9207 being lost in crashes in 1944. Here's the only F model (Fortress Mk II) that made it to NMF, 9202:
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It was later lost in November 1945 when it struck terrain near Muenster, Germany while delivering medical supplies to Poland.

Here's 9202 with some of the rest of 168 Sqn's fleet of Fortress, Liberators and Dakotas at Rockcliffe in 1945. One of the NMF Fortress Mk IIA's (E models) can be seen in the background:
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More info on RCAF usage of the Flying Fortress can be found in this excellent article by Dave O'Malley: https://www.vintagewings.ca/stories/letters-from-home

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Whilst reviewing NMF B-17's. I came across these two photos of a B-17G with some unusual modifications.

Lockheed/Vega B-17G-50-VE Fortress 44-8139 (MSN 17-7539) Accepted by USAAF at Lockheed Field, Burbank, CA Jun44. Lockheed Aircraft, Modification Center #3, Love Field, Dallas, TX 19Jun44. Buckingham Field, Fort Myers, FL 24Jul44. Modified as target drone. Designated QB-17. 110th Base Unit (Staging), Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island, NY 23Aug44. 2nd Electronics Experimental Squadron, Fort Dix AAB, Wrightstown, NJ 18Sep44. 1377th Base Unit (North Atlantic Wing, Air Transport Command), Grenier Field (Station 16), Manchester, NH 21Sep44. 4149th Base Unit, Electronics Experimental Squadron, Fort Dix AAB, Wrightstown, NJ 5Nov44. 110th Base Unit (Staging), Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island, NY 27Jan45. 4149th Base Unit, Electronics Experimental Squadron, Fort Dix AAB, Wrightstown, NJ 20Feb45. 139th Base Unit (Combat Crew Training Station), Shaw Field, Sumter, SC 1May45. 4121st Base Unit (San Antonio Air Technical Service Command), Kelly Field, San Antonio, TX 4Sep45. 4149th Base Unit, Electronics Experimental Squadron, Fort Dix AAB, Wrightstown, NJ 22Oct45. Air Technical Service Command, Dover Field, DE 13Jan46. 4112th Base Unit (Middletown Air Technical Service Command), Middletown Air Depot, PA 13Apr46. Damaged in an accident with North American AT-6D Texan 42-84234 taxying at Middletown Field, PA 5Jun46. Accident taxying at Middletown Field, PA 11Jun46. Weather Flight, 4108th Base Unit (Atlantic Overeas Air Technical Service Command), Newark Field, NJ 30Sep46. Damaged while parked by C-47B 43-49518 at Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island, NY 7Oct46. Damaged in an accident with three North American AT-6C Texan aircraft while taxying at Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island, NY 8Oct46. 110th Base Unit (Staging), Mitchel Field, Hempstead, Long Island, NY 10Feb47. 4000th Base Unit, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH 15Feb47. 4108th Base Unit (Atlantic Overeas Air Technical Service Command), Newark Field, NJ 19Feb47. 4112th Base Unit (Middletown Air Technical Service Command), Middletown Air Depot, PA 30Jun47. 3180th Mission Support Group; Olmsted AFB, Middletown, PA. Crash landed mechanical failure at Olmsted 10Sep48. Reclaimed 7Jan49

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Taken in Korea this B-17 G-85-DL,assigned to Fighter Command 5th Air Force, Japan.(serial number 44-83546),is still flying.(photo circa 1951)
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B-17G. Bendix chin turret and the Top Turret have been removed and faired over. A\waiting its tail fin markings to be changed from the 401st BG 'S' to a 305th BG 'G'. Personal baggage being removed from its bomb bay, upon arriving at the new post war home field - A-92 St. Trond Belgium

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