Surplus Warplane Transfers to Schools 1945-1948

[Paul Stroud]

I think it's an Edo XOSE-1 (never heard of it before, but googled Navy single engine floatplane, reckon this is it)

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/ww2/edo-xose-1/

[Chris Brame]

Did anyone ever try to taxi one of these over to a paved area and try to fly it (or at least taxi it around to make some noise)? I wouldn't bet against that never having happened.

IIRC that happened to the P-51C 42-103645 now owned by the CAF, which was why the wings got sawed off!

[Clifford Bossie]

I think it's an Edo XOSE-1 (never heard of it before, but googled Navy single engine floatplane, reckon this is it)

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/ww2/edo-xose-1/

Exactly. With only 10 built it is interesting that one made it to the technical institute.

[Randy Wilson]

I think it's an Edo XOSE-1 (never heard of it before, but googled Navy single engine floatplane, reckon this is it)

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/ww2/edo-xose-1/

Paul - I think you are correct and thank you for the quick research and response. I too had never heard of this aircraft but thought I might recognize the engine. We have one of the V-12 V-770 Ranger engines on display in Midland. It has always seemed to be an engine without a true demand or need. Of course, there is the AT-6E, the AT-21, the SO3C Seamew, and a few others, and now this example. Thanks, and all the best.

Randy

[Steve Birdsall]

Very interesting Honeywell photo. Is it safe to assume that the B-17E in the foreground is indeed 41-9210, which went straight from Seattle to Minneapolis in mid-May 1942?

Speaking of late B-17Es, I’m looking for any photos at all of 41-9095, 41-9097, 41-9099, 41-9104 and 41-9109.

[Noha307]

Which bring me to the Cincinnatti & Hamilton County Public Library of the Aviation Shop PT-26. I think this may be another canopied PT-19.
My reasoning: the engine side cowling shows the holes, etc., for the starting handle - which discounts being either a Fleet-built PT-26A or PT-26B which had electric starters.
There is no sign of the wind-driven generator (under the forward fuselage) which should be visible in this view if this was an unmodified Fairchild-built PT-26.

Thanks for that. I appreciate the expert input. The one thought I had was that the airframe might have been one of the Aeronca-built examples as they were located less than 30 miles away in Middletown. It's even closer than Wright-Patterson and the school obviously received a YH-6 from there. So, if anything, this would support your theory.

With only 10 built it is interesting that one made it to the technical institute.

It makes sense to me. If a school wants an airplane, might as well give them an (essentially) one-off from a dead end project rather than something that might still have some use in it. I also noticed that the helicopter the CVHS received was a preproduction YH-6, not a regular H-6. It's the same reason NMUSAF ended up with the prototype C-17 - too many non-standard features and differences from a production aircraft meant that it was too expensive to upgrade to service standard.[1]

[Mark Allen M]

Very interesting Honeywell photo. Is it safe to assume that the B-17E in the foreground is indeed 41-9210, which went straight from Seattle to Minneapolis in mid-May 1942?

Speaking of late B-17Es, I’m looking for any photos at all of 41-9095, 41-9097, 41-9099, 41-9104 and 41-9109.

Hi Steve, hope all is well.

Take a look here: https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/di ... hterm/B-17

[Steve Birdsall]

Thanks Mark, that's a really nice collection that I'd never seen before.

[Chris Brame]

Thanks for the link, Mark - got a few more B-17 trainers to add to my collection!
And that isn't all - Heeeeere's (ex-) Chuckie!


https://digitalcollections.hclib.org/di ... 283/rec/37
(aka Madras Maiden and now Ye Olde Pub.)

[Chris Brame]

(double post)

[Mark Allen M]

Steve this photo could be 41-9095

Per J. Baugher: Boeing B-17E Fortress 41-9095 (MSN 2567) Accepted by USAAF Mar42. 97th Bomb Group, Sarasota Field, FL 14Apr42. 15th Ferrying Group, Caribbean Wing, Air Transport Command, Morrison Field, West Palm Beach, FL 22Apr42. North Atlantic Wing, Air Transport Command, Presque Isle Field, ME. Ferried to RCAF Goose Bay, Labrador. Ferried Patterson Field, Reykjavik, Iceland to Prestwick (Station 500), Scotland 21Jul42. Assigned to Eighth Air Force in error. Flown Prestwick, Scotland to Patterson Field, Reykjavik, Iceland 23Jul42. Shot down by Fw 190s near Flasselles Sep 6, 1942 during mission to Rouen.


First B-17 over Rouen, France.

Commander Frank Armstrong and airmen of the 97th Heavy Bomber Group, at air base in England, in front of first B-17 bomber to fly daylight raid over Axis-held territory.

[Steve Birdsall]

Thanks Mark. Other sources show 41-24445 as the B-17 shot down “near Flasselles” on 6 September 1942, so I don’t know what to make of the Joe Baugher information.

This one really confuses me, and the IARC is not much help.



The entry referencing 41-9097 is no doubt just a simple clerical error, but it’s unclear if the typed “ERROR” refers to both of the “BRITAIN” entries or just the 41-9097 one.

It looks like 41-9095 was condemned to salvage in the MTO, but what happened between May 1942 and May 1945 is a mystery.

[quemerford]

Just my ten cents, having experienced a lot of this IARC shenanigans: I'd suggest that, given the different 'from' locations, you have two different aircraft on one card, but what it says is strange in any case. This is how I read it:

Boeing to 97th BGp Sarasota 14Apr42
Sarasota to West Palm Beach 22Apr42
(43 hrs airframe time at 28Apr42)
Palm Beach to Britain May42
Britain to MacDill Jul43
MacDill to West Palm Beach Jul43
West Palm Beach to Britain Jul43
Britain to Las Vegas Oct43
Las Vegas to Britain Oct43

There's a lot there that doesn't make sense, and given that 'Las Vegas' doesn't fit with 97th BGp movements, I'd say that portion relates to '9097 and not '9095. I don't have the IARC for '9097 but hopefully that agrees with '9097 being on the West Coast and '9095 on the east.

But what also bothers me is the inference that '9095 was sent back to MacDill from the UK in July 1943 and returned to the UK the same month - especially since it doesn't seem to have logged much flight time. I have some 97th BGp records which I'll take a look at and see if those shed any light.

[quemerford]

Further to the above, the 'error' note on the card refers to the movement of '9095 with the 97th to the UK in May 42; the move was made in July so that part now makes sense. The 'error' seems to stem from the 97th receiving Special Order No.67 on 10 May, which the Group historian described as, "The first lap of the flight echelon to the Theater of Operations". It was a premature statement, with most B-17s going instead to the Middletown Air Depot for repairs, new engines and armament upgrades. The first men of the ground echelon arrived in the UK on 9 June and the first aircraft on 6 July.

Regarding Baugher's entry, the 97th mission on 6 September 1942 was to the Potez factory at Meaulte and no aircraft were lost. The only casualty was the tail gunner in '9021 (Cpl Bungard), killed by enemy gunfire.

[Dan K]

P-59 Purdue Unversity College of Aeronautics and Astronautics. School of Aviation

Always nice to discover any survivors.

The only Airacomet I'm finding that was donated to Purdue was 44-22656. This is the example presently on display in Minden, NE, at the Harold Wasp Pioneer Village:

http://coloradoguy.com/pioneer-village-museum20a.jpg


Continued curiosity caught me stumbling into the following modeling thread. One poster offers a brief narrative from his father (WWII Navy pilot vet) who reportedly ferried a P-59 to West Lafayette:

https://imodeler.com/2018/09/1-48-hobby ... -aircomet/