Red Bull T-28 crash in the Czech Republic

[Duggy009]

RIP pilot killed,passenger seriously injured.
Link in German -- https://www.austrianwings.info/2021/06/ ... pilot-tot/

[DH82EH]

$hitty.
My sincerest condolences to family and friends who have lost loved ones.
Hoping the best for the injured survivor.

Andy

[lucky52]

Did people on the ground get killed also?

[Archer]

The article does not mention any injuries or fatalities to persons on the ground. The T-28 was on the way back from an airshow in Poland, together with the P-51, P-38 and B-25, when the accident happened. There are no further details as to what happened. The passenger has suffered severe burn injuries.

If you go to this link: https://www.policie.cz/clanek/tragicky- ... kovic.aspx and click on the 1(5).jpg links and the ones below you will see some photos and a video that show the location of the crash and the wreckage. I'm amazed that someone survived this!

[RyanShort1]

If I'm reading those pictures correctly it does look like they had the gear down, so probably knew something was wrong?

[C VEICH]

I'm amazed that someone survived this!

My understanding from posts on Facebook is that the passenger succumbed to his/her injuries as well.

[Archer]

Sorry to hear that.... I don't do Facebook, I took my information from the German language article in the link.

Edit: there is an updated article here: https://www.austrianwings.info/2021/06/ ... sprobleme/ stating that the passenger is 'fighting for his life'. Initial suspicions point towards an engine problem, seeing as the prop is pretty much intact and doesn't show the bent blades that indicate the effect of a powered blade hitting something unmoveable. Photos of the wreckage recovery (initial investigation has been completed) here: https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/zprav ... -2021.html

[Invader26]

An off-field forced landing in a T-28 should be conducted 'gear-up'. The nose leg can collapse easily on rough ground and the aircraft can flip... Gear up generally uses less turf too.

[marine air]

Not speculating on this particular accident, but can add some thoughts. In college I worked at the Eagleville Gliderport. We had an instructor in a Schleicher ASK-21 try to stretch his glide instead of landing off field. He hit the tp of the trees. This subsequently stalled the glider and then it dropped very hard from fifty feet. Imagine a crane dropping you from 50' or even 30' in your plane or car. It totaled the glider and the occupants were lucky to survive as the previous time this happened it resulted in a double fatality accident.
Aerodynamically, there's no such thing as "Stretching a glide."
The POH for the T-28 says that if you are running off the end of the runway or landing off field, it is advisable to raise the gear as it is possible to end up on your back due to the long landing gear. Another thought, with the gear down, full flaps, and canopy open, the glide ratio is only 5.4 to 1. So, you are dropping like a brick.
The pilot in this accident was an excellent pilot and no doubt was working the problem to the very end. It's possible the engine quit at a critical place and altitude where even Bob Hoover couldn't have had a different outcome.

[Matt Gunsch]

It's possible the engine quit at a critical place and altitude where even Bob Hoover couldn't have had a different outcome.

From what read they were in formation at cruise altitude, The B-25 circled the site until rescue arrived on scene.

[Invader26]

The glide speed of a T-28 is 130 kts and unless you are a a high altitude your more or less landing "under the nose".

Gear only if you're going to make a runway

[Matt Gunsch]

The glide speed of a T-28 is 130 kts and unless you are a a high altitude your more or less landing "under the nose".

Gear only if you're going to make a runway

Other than the speed, maybe they should use an Ercoupe as a engine out simulator for the T-28, it has the glide ratio of a streamlined brick.

[A68-1001]

Bit of update
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/264294

[lmritger]

Bit of update
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/264294

Wait... if I'm reading that narrative correctly, it sounds like the pilot initiated a barrel roll at 60M (around 200 feet), while around tall trees. That seems like an extraordinarily bad idea with a very high probability of failure (as indeed it proved to be).

Lynn

[BigGrey]

Bit of update
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/264294

Wait... if I'm reading that narrative correctly, it sounds like the pilot initiated a barrel roll at 60M (around 200 feet), while around tall trees. That seems like an extraordinarily bad idea with a very high probability of failure (as indeed it proved to be).

Lynn

I personally don't put much stock in that ASN Wiki page as anybody can post any BS they want on there. I sure don't believe it but maybe we will be fortunate enough to read the accident investigation report when it comes out.