B-25 "Old Glory" down in accident. No fatalities. 2020

[whistlingdeath77]

hope all is ok and they can get her back together again

[bdk]

Sounds like they ran it out of fuel. A true shame because they were on the ground in Vacaville just 20 minutes prior.

Dual engine flameout is unusual. Do the engines both feed from the same tank?

[marine air]

I’ve heard of dual “ flame outs” to use BDKs words, in piston engines. One example were two T-28B’s flying in formation in IMC. One pilot said “ Hey, I just lost my engine” A moment later the second pilot said “ I’ve lost mine too.” Conditions were perfect for carb icing. Another reason for dual engine loss can be a lot of water in the tanks or a lot of air in the tanks instead of fuel.

[Matt Gunsch]

Sounds like they ran it out of fuel. A true shame because they were on the ground in Vacaville just 20 minutes prior.

Dual engine flameout is unusual. Do the engines both feed from the same tank?

They can, like most multi engine planes, but each engine has it's own fuel tank, but fuel can be transferred side to side, or both engines can feed off of the same tank.

[Firebird]

Sounds like they ran it out of fuel. A true shame because they were on the ground in Vacaville just 20 minutes prior.

Would appear to be the obvious reason........shades of the 2nd Blenheim crash at Duxford?

Did they fuel it at Chino for the flight to Vacaville and then on to Stockton, or did the fuel for Chino - Stockton, and made a divert to Vacaville enroute, but thought they had enough to make the hop to Stockton?

They must have only been about 5-6 miles out from Stockton threshold when the engines quit?

[RyanShort1]

C'mon guys, let's leave the fuel question for the NTSB...

[phil65]

C'mon guys, let's leave the fuel question for the NTSB...

What fun would that be...

Phil

[2WBandit]

Time to start thinking about how to persevere rather than speculate on the circumstances. All good guys in the plane, they lived this life this knowing this type of event could have occurred. Don't have links but they are out there. Glad everyone is ok, true testament to the skill of the guys in the left and right seats, and the 3rd who was right there with them.

[lucky52]

Just out of courosity,why are the top turret guns pointing up?

[Matt Gunsch]

Just out of courosity,why are the top turret guns pointing up?

ZEROS

[Archer]

I suspect that the heavy bits are at the aft end of the guns, so perhaps the shock of the fuselage hitting the ground caused them to move to max elevation.

[JohnH]

I just got the new Flying magazine . Old Glory is in the first part , and it’s pretty ironic some of the content in the magazine. I’ll leave it at that.

[Pogo]

Ah, so maybe the impact spun the turret and ran the guns up ... I was wondering about that too.

Any word on the crew?

[JimH]

From Taigh's friend Cathy...she posted this on her Facebook page...


Thank you everyone for reaching out. Taigh is home, recovering, and needing to get rest. Nick and Andres are home now as well. Long road to recovery, so your continued thoughts/prayers for them are much appreciated:-) TIA!

as for the turret I've seen a photo not long after it happened and the guns are down. Bad day all around.

Jim

[marine air]

You know, a friend of mine has a few thousand hours flying DC-3s and PBYs. He said he’s never flown one with working fuel gages. A friend had a P-51 that didn’t have fuel gages. You always topped off and used your watch.
The T-6 I checked out in had lousy fuel gages down by your feet and we used our wristwatch to track fuel usage. I fly contract trips on a lot of transport category older jets, fuel gage problems or irregularities are common. A lot of extra fuel has to be carried if you can’t trust the gages. Sometimes it’s possible to match the engine thrust settings and you can ascertain what the tank with the inop fuel gage “should” have in it. Also, even the 1960’s and 70’s jets we operate have low fuel light warnings to remind you . We never run low on fuel. It’s unprofessional.
My point is this; with all the advances in safety and quality in the warbird movement, is it time to review fuel management? Why can’t someone invent , design or adapt modern style fuel gages for vintage aircraft? Especially, vintage transport category aircraft? Guessing and guessing wrong has led to the loss of so many airplanes.