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Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:05 pm
This is amazing.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:23 pm
I wonder if the aircraft on deck at the time were tied down and did they survive the plunge down?It looked like it was upright.I read that the Navy was going to try and recover that COD plane that that crashed last year in 18,000 feet of water.That would be good experience for recovering a few of these aircraft.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:55 pm
I am sure that Lexington is considered a war grave.
The U.S. Navy would never buy off on recovering anything from it.
That is amazing footage though, certainly.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:12 pm
_evan wrote:Punisher05 wrote:
We can all dream, lads. But I noticed the caption said she's more than 3,000 meters down...what's the record for the deepest recovery of artifacts from the ocean's floor?
With that in mind, the condition looks amazing and the mind teems with possibilities!
Flight data recorders have been recovered deeper then that. Project azorian also comes to mind. Not impossible just very expensive
The Navy announced in December that they will be
recovering a C-2 from over 16,000 feet, so definitely possible.
DH82EH wrote:I am sure that Lexington is considered a war grave.
The U.S. Navy would never buy off on recovering anything from it.
Didn't one of the U.S. carriers go down with only a single sailor killed? Or am I confusing it with the
sinking of the HMS Ark Royal? I thought that was the case with the
Lexington.
Does it count as a war grave if the bodies are removed before the ship sinks?
Could the Devastator in the video be the one in the
famous picture of the aircraft being catapulted overboard by an explosion? It looks like the fuselage is broken in the same place.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:32 pm
VF-3 was on board the Lex for Coral Sea, and Felix was their squadron emblem, seen clearly on the forward fuselage. Edit: looks to have been flown by Lieut. Noel A. M. Gayler
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Mark Allen M on Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:47 pm
I wonder if the TBD’s (I count three of them) are far enough away from the main wreck to be considered independent wrecks, and thus, not war graves? Surely an exception can be made just this once?
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:56 pm
Why would the Navy go after these if they did not go after the seemingly easier to recover Florida, CA and Jaluit TBDs?
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:44 pm
The condition of that Wildcat and those TBDs is just stunning! I know it’s wishful thinking but a recovery would be awesome, we can dream. Lol
Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:45 pm
Wow - that Wildcat with Squadron and victory markings - that is amazing! I would think you could tie that plane to a specific pilot!
Tom P.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:15 pm
Tom - 5 posts up Mark gives the name.

As for the Lex- as it was technically scuttled (by 5 torpedoes from the USS
Phelps) and not sunk, then there would be an argument against it being considered a war grave. However, I don't think anyone would want to salvage much more than a few small items and maybe one or two of the planes on the sea floor nearby.
As for why recover a TBD or the F4F - simple - they're actual early war aircraft in extremely good shape that would require only stabilization after recovery and then display as-is. No need to "restore" them, just display them.
Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:42 pm
This is certainly a convincing argument that there are more than likely many, many more deep sea aircraft and ships in the same condition. Lots of aircraft were 'scuttled' over the edge of carriers for the smallest of reasons during wartime. Fascinating!!
Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:08 pm
Wiki already states that a total of 7 TBD's, 3 SBD's, and the single F4F have been located. All lie separate from the three, main, surviving sections of the ship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lexington_(CV-2)
Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:26 pm
I’m seeing four TBDs in the pics. T4, T5, T8 and T9.
ALL took part in the attack on Shoho. T4 and T9 scored confirmed hits ...
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