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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:28 am 
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Reevers is now moving ahead with next phase to preserve and restore its B-25 Mitchell to flight. Read on link for more information.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:51 pm 
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How is Reevers able to seriously explore the acquisition, transport and restoration of Lancaster KB882 if it requires donations of money to complete aircraft it currently has?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:38 pm 
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KiwiZac wrote:
How is Reevers able to seriously explore the acquisition, transport and restoration of Lancaster KB882 if it requires donations of money to complete aircraft it currently has?


Kiwi Zac - fair question, but one that should have been researched a bit better. The B-25 Donation request. This is based upon the numerous requests we have received from overseas subscribers who have expressed a desire to get involved with the preservation of this aircraft. As you should know it has a very colourful post war history, BoB film ship to its end use in the USA as Chapter XI. Our request for donations is by no means an indication that Reevers is not capable of completing the restoration, in fact if you had read the latest postings on our FBP you would have seen that we are selling our A-26 (my favourite) in order to help subsidize the work on the B-25 and to allocate funds towards the Lancaster KB882 and our B-17 recovery efforts. Reevers has chosen to make all our projects available to as many people as possible and if they wish to donate we appreciate their kindness very much.

Lancaster KB882 - again, a good read of the latest information will confirm that our priority has always been to secure the aircraft and have it placed undercover, preferably in Canada. Reevers has stated that should this not be possible then an application to the courts in Canada will be made to have the aircraft transported to Australia. The costs for this will be covered by sales of other assets (as already stated) along with personal funds. Also, we made it clear in our media interview that we would ask for help from the warbird community to achieve our goals i.e. first is to save the aircraft from the elements and second would be to move it to Australia if nothing can be achieved in Canada. Reevers has also indicated that should the Lancaster come to Australia, it is likely to be loaned, donated or whatever can be agreed to a larger facility that is capable of doing the necessary work. We've nominate HARS and others have suggested Temora. Both would be excellent and both would be considered should we get to that stage.

B-17E Project - while Reevers has been researching and collecting many important and some very hard to get parts, this has been done using our own funds - funds raised by buying and selling aircraft related items primarily with some supplementation from business owners (a common practice for any business I would have thought) a wreck site is now being examined to determine the viability of recovering the remains to form the basis of a project - not a new build as all of what we have so far is genuine Boeing parts. We concede that many parts will come from many sources but as much original material will be used. What can not be secured will be new build, but this will be kept to a minimum.

Cattle are our first interest, but droughts, GFC and other contributing factors relating to my whistleblowing on corruption issues have all taken a toll. War birding is essentially an avenue of therapy for me because I can utilise all my skills I have developed over the last 25 years. But given the chance we will get back into cattle with a view to help offset the warbird costs. We still maintain an ongoing and active participation in reverse breeding via AI and contune to help out other breeders and monitor the results.


I hope this has answered your questions - if only partly, but we are reluctant to put all our details, business and private into an open public forum. We would be happy to dicuss specific questions via email with the appropriate caveats in place, We need to protect our interests. Finally reevers believes that Warbirding is not about ego's, its about Warbirds, so if reevers can not secure a project, we will act as a medium by which others can, hence the Warbird will have an increased chance of survival.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:16 pm 
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Per Peter's reply elsewhere Zac........

"The B-29 Doc is expected to fly very soon and many flying aircraft and those still being restored by private owners - have they received donations from the public?"

Additionally, Zac I volunteer at museums in Australia where they are reliant on public donations, grants and at times money chipped in from private owners funds to either survive, expand / buy new items.

So perhaps (from my viewpoint) maybe as your so critical and questioning of Reevers intentions and actions, can you explain why you have not also questioned other aviation museums who rely on the requirement for massive donations for their operations/projects.
How are these actions ......in seeking donations ..........any different to Reevers?

We all know of well known private collectors/organisations around the world who have requested and received public donations.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:41 am 
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Per my reply elsewhere:

"I have to say however that that is an unfair comparison in your post directly above - Doc is the sole focus of their efforts and seems to have been for 16 years. Of course it's received public donations, they had a Kickstarter campaign. Similar story with the Vulcan and now Canberra. I for one am not begrudging the idea of public donations, it was only my earlier perception of the dissonance of seeking aid for one project (giving me an *initial impression* of not being capable of financing it) while publicly eyeing up another."

I apologise for seeming as though I was criticising, I was seeking information. I was completely unaware that enthusiasts had made enquiries to Reevers as to how they could contribute (the announcement doesn't seem to mention this and I hadn't been following the activities of Reevers). I haven't asked questions of other museums as I've had no reason to. Also to be honest I thought Reevers was a private collection/business, rather than a museum like ANAM.

I have in the past been unfairly critical toward Reevers and have done my best to take a step back and think twice before doing so again! I'm happy to admit to that and attempt to mend any bridges I've burned.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:39 am 
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Digger wrote:
B-17E Project - while Reevers has been researching and collecting many important and some very hard to get parts, this has been done using our own funds - funds raised by buying and selling aircraft related items primarily with some supplementation from business owners (a common practice for any business I would have thought) a wreck site is now being examined to determine the viability of recovering the remains to form the basis of a project

Considering where the few known, unrecovered B-17E wreck sites are, I wish you the best of luck!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:29 am 
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I am still confused. Is the B-25 privately owned or owned by a public museum? I am not sure how the laws is your country work. Here if the asset is part of a non profit museum when it is sold the funds go that museum or another non profit museum or the state.

Doc has been used as an example here...but is it privately owned? I don't think it is.

Believe me, I understand having financial problems, been there, done that, and fully recognize it could happen again. Most businessmen understand that, for me personally if I own the asset I am not comfortable with asking for money from those who may or may not be as blessed as I have been to own these treasures. But that is just my opinion..


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:11 am 
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Tim, as you are aware from the information disclosed on Reevers page, it is a privately owned and operated family business and this has been stated numerous times on numerous sites and forums. I fail to see the confusion about who we are and what we do. I think many posts made about Reevers are based upon ignorance or motivated by malice.

We are not the first and will not be the last privately operated collection to ask for and receive public donations.

There are a number of B-17E crash sites in the SWPA and to our knowledge most are known and have been visited regularly over the years.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:13 am 
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Tim as i understand it reever's is privately funded...i'm pretty sure it's not part on a "national" museum...so they can buy and sell asset's as they seem worthy(correct me if i'm wrong Digger)...i personally hope they get at least one of their projects flying...i'm a tad pissed at not seeing the A26 fly as i would have though as a flying part of the collection it would have helped raise money..but i'm an arm chair enthusiast......btw what has happend to peter's P40 and P43 projects?


ps if i had the money i'd buy the A26 in a heart beat


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:09 am 
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Digger wrote:
Tim, as you are aware from the information disclosed on Reevers page, it is a privately owned and operated family business and this has been stated numerous times on numerous sites and forums. I fail to see the confusion about who we are and what we do. I think many posts made about Reevers are based upon ignorance or motivated by malice.

We are not the first and will not be the last privately operated collection to ask for and receive public donations.

There are a number of B-17E crash sites in the SWPA and to our knowledge most are known and have been visited regularly over the years.


Actually, I wasn't aware of the nature of your collection....I haven't paid much attention to it which is why I asked the question. Thanks for clarifying. I meant no malice, just curiosity more than anything. Best wishes with all your projects....I don't throw stones at anyone trying to restore these birds.


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Hi all, we appreciate your acknowledgments. Oz rv fan, I'm with you on the A26 and despite the corrosion issues our research for replacement spars from a reliable US source confirms this bird is a most viable project. However we have a very small window of opportunity to pay our respects to the members of 18 Squadron NEIAF / RAAF whose sacrifices during WW2 here in Australia really puts into perspective our focus and priorities.

You never know, the Invader could remain with us if no one is serious about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:54 am 
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Liberator3 wrote:
Additionally, Zac I volunteer at museums in Australia where they are reliant on public donations, grants and at times money chipped in from private owners funds to either survive, expand / buy new items.


Just wondering what museums that you volunteer at? Maybe they can assist?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:17 pm 
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oz rb fan wrote:
btw what has happend to peter's P40 and P43 projects?


Apologies OZ RB FAN I missed this last questions. the P-40 is sitting outside my study window, engine bearers, fittings, lower forward section, seat, wheels u/c, canopy remains (including a poor screen frame) tail wheel assembly, internal fittings like hydraulic tanks, cranks, pulleys and remains of the tail section. I've put flower pots all over it - wife hasn't noticed it yet.

P-43 - yes I have been neglectfull of this but other things have taken over. Phil has been pushing me to release more pics and so I will endeavour to do that in the coming weeks but probably longer as we have a few things on the boil. We've been seeking advice on re=heat treatment processes, an issue I've asked on this forum before and got little feedback, but if we can reshape twisted skins etc would could save potentially another 10%, not a lot but it would all go together for a very nice display. As we have been cleaning an sorting we've discovered many interesting items, some we have sort advice on, for example, one piece was clearly stamped with an 89 number making it a P-47D part, but because some of these Lancers in the RAAF had accidents we are being told that repairs would have been done with like for like, so its possible that Lancers were repaired using the same part from a later model - who knows, just another example of what can be researched on these remains. A bit like the myth that they all went back to the USA.

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