(Paul & Scott) Which F-86 you like better? ...

Mark Allen M · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm **Posts:** 7831

Can't say both ...

Canadair North American F-86 Sabre

USAF North American F-86 Sabre

Mark Allen M · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm **Posts:** 7831

The Canadian version looks more fun ... :wink:

And there's more of them (today)

Kyleb · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:27 pm

Looks like the -Eh version won't leave a T-33 behind on an upline. ;-)

I want the other one.

Mark Allen M · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm **Posts:** 7831

WIX members T33driver (Paul) and Sdennison (Scott) for those wondering.
Far from an expert on all things Sabre but Scott what's the specifics on the one your 'fixin up' ... If you care to state.

One-0-Wonder · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:55 pm

Given that the Orenda 14 in the Canadair version had the advantage of more than 500 lbs of thrust than the J-47 in the NAA version, it was a faster and more manoeuvrable machine in general. I know which one I'd pick.

K5DH · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:38 pm

Do we really have to pick one? Aren't all Sabres cool? :supz:

T33driver · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:13 pm

Love the shot of the Sabre going vertical with the T-33! From a pilot standpoint, I'm partial to the Canadair Sabre with it's more powerful Orenda engine, higher aspect ratio "6-3 wing" and examples that have leading edge slats for better slow speed stability...all these factors led me to pursue and acquire a Canadair Mk VI. From a historical perspective, I'm a little more interested and nostalgic about USAF Sabres so I opted for a polished finish in USAF markings on mine, but was seriously tempted to do a camo RCAF 439 Squadron scheme. Pilots who've flown various US and Canadian Sabre variants tell me they are all awesome, all fly and look a thoroughbred fighter should...some just "run" and climb faster than others.

Having said all that, I'll be getting some stick time in a North American F-86A which will be a really amazing, unique opportunity and an interesting comparison.

quemerford · **Joined:** Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:19 pm **Posts:** 1615

T33driver wrote:

Love the shot of the Sabre going vertical with the T-33! From a pilot standpoint, I'm partial to the Canadair Sabre with it's more powerful Rolls Royce Orenda engine, higher aspect ratio "6-3 wing" and examples that have leading edge slats for better slow speed stability...all these factors led me to pursue and acquire a Canadair Mk VI. From a historical perspective, I'm a little more interested and nostalgic about USAF Sabres so I opted for a polished finish in USAF markings on mine, but was seriously tempted to do a camo RCAF 439 Squadron scheme. Pilots who've flown various US and Canadian Sabre variants tell me they are all awesome, all fly and look a thoroughbred fighter should...some just "run" and climb faster than others.

Having said all that, I'll be getting some stick time in a North American F-86A which will be a really amazing, unique opportunity and an interesting comparison.

Minor point: the Orenda was not R-R: initially it was an Avro division but later became autonomous.

And be careful with that A model: it has a hard-edge, narrow-chord wing - unless they got the slats working that is.

King of Sabres is the Commonwealth Avon-powered CA-27. I'd pick the dash-32 with increased internal tankage.

JohnB · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:14 pm

Remember that the Aussie Sabre had only a 40% commonality in fuselage design to the F-86F.

For those unfamiliar with the Australian Sabre saga, they originally wanted to buy the English P.1081...but predictably, the UK cancelled it.
That left the Aussies without a fighter, so they decided on a Sabre with the Avon engine.
It was a good match but the resulting redesign push back the with the first significant number not being delivered to the RAAF until 1956. The last one wasn't built until 1961.
By that time, the USAF had quit buying the F-100, the F-86s successor.

The story is similar to the UK's purchases of the Phantom, only here the new engine was a better fit, the UK built F-4s with their engines resulted in the world's most expensive...an slowest...Phantoms.

quemerford · **Joined:** Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:19 pm **Posts:** 1615

JohnB wrote:

The story is similar to the UK's purchases of the Phantom, only here the new engine was a better fit, the UK built F-4s with their engines resulted in the world's most expensive...an slowest...Phantoms.

...and noisiest!

But no smoke, so not all bad :lol:

Lon Moer · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:52 pm

Well, Bob Love was a Korean War Ace in F-86's and when he was able to buy and fly his own he chose a Canadair. :wink:

Stoney · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:14 pm

Lon I don't believe Bob owned it, but he did fly it, I'm pretty sure it was Pen Patrick's

Mark Allen M · **Joined:** Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:48 pm **Posts:** 7831

So some are saying the 'canuck' Sabre was better than the 'yankee' Sabre? (or some aspects of that) ... hmmm! (my Mother was 1/2 canuck so I guess I can say canuck)

DH82EH · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:14 pm

Mark, I'm 100% Canuck and I hereby authorize you to say "Canuck"

Andy

Lon Moer · **Posted:** Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:36 pm

Stoney wrote:

Lon I don't believe Bob owned it, but he did fly it, I'm pretty sure it was Pen Patrick's

No, Bob bought it originally, later transfered it to Jerry Brassfield and the Pacific Military Air Museum. F-86 Registry

And it aggravates me that Flight Systems went to the civilian market for more F-86's to shoot down, like Bob's and Leroy Penhall's

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