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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:08 pm 
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Just wanted to vent my frustration at this happening. :evil:
PBY tanker 85, upside down, broken in half................
No other comments to make. :bs:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:58 pm 
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Yeah.....not so interested in seeing the film now. Can't see destroying actual history in the name of fake history. Couldn't watch it without the mental picture of this in my head the whole time.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:07 pm 
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Yeah.....not so interested in seeing the film now. Can't see destroying actual history in the name of fake history. Couldn't watch it without the mental picture of this in my head the whole time.


I can't blame the filmmakers. Flying warbirds has risks and the operators almost certainly understood the risks here. There are also risks to parked aircraft (consider all of the damaged and destroyed aircraft at Kermit's place in Miami when the hurricane hit 20 years ago). Unfortunately, in this case, the aircraft had an operational problem, and an inept recovery job turned an unfortunate situation into a disaster.


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Not to be mean, but I do blame the film makers. They had contracted the aircraft and this feels a lot like the whole Twilight Zone episode. In that, the filmmaker had no clue about the risks involved and kept pushing for more and more dangerous stuff until people died. I question why the aircraft was on the beach in the first place....because I saw footage of them filming cockpit scenes while it was there. If the aircraft was there simply because of taking on water, why would they be wasting time filming instead of doing recovery. After a full 24 hours there, word went out in the aviation community looking for lifting instructions. It's up to the film company to keep locations clear and clean- so I expect it was they that hired the boat salvage people to do the job. After having lived in SoCal and known far too many film makers, this reeks of Hollywood blunders and how they ignore anything they are told. Their god like opinion of themselves ends up destroying stuff all the time. Or getting their crews killed doing stupid things like filming on active railroad tracks with no permits. I hope the details come out on the entire incident, but given the statement they issued figure they are already covering something up.....


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I have no desire to see any movie with Nicolis Cage involved in any way. My opinion, but the most entertaining movie he made was
"Raising Arizona". It may become the Ben Afflack "Pearl Harbor" or latest Tuskegee movie.


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Wonder if anyone contacted Connie Edwards about the recovery. Probably forgot more about the PBY than all the others ever knew, including the salvage in England of one from the water.


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Not to be mean, but I do blame the film makers. They had contracted the aircraft and this feels a lot like the whole Twilight Zone episode. In that, the filmmaker had no clue about the risks involved and kept pushing for more and more dangerous stuff until people died. I question why the aircraft was on the beach in the first place....because I saw footage of them filming cockpit scenes while it was there. If the aircraft was there simply because of taking on water, why would they be wasting time filming instead of doing recovery. After a full 24 hours there, word went out in the aviation community looking for lifting instructions. It's up to the film company to keep locations clear and clean- so I expect it was they that hired the boat salvage people to do the job. After having lived in SoCal and known far too many film makers, this reeks of Hollywood blunders and how they ignore anything they are told. Their god like opinion of themselves ends up destroying stuff all the time. Or getting their crews killed doing stupid things like filming on active railroad tracks with no permits. I hope the details come out on the entire incident, but given the statement they issued figure they are already covering something up.....


1) No one died.

2) The plane was beached because of a mechanical issue and taking on water after landing in relatively calm water (less than 2 foot seas).

3) The fliming was done after the first salvage attempt when the nose dug into the sand instead of going up the beach. The salvage company was getting a barge and a new plan, so it was better to have people in it filming and thus using it than sitting around doing nothing. I don't blame them there.

4) They got the plane floating on Thursday, so I don't think there was much structural damage if any.

If you want to blame someone - blame the Salvage Company and its contractor Resolve Marine for having a botched lift out of the water after everything else.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:05 pm 
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Too late now but why didn't they install the drain plugs so they could get the water out? Why didn't they try to reverse course, ie, have a tugboat pull it backwards out of the sandbar? Why didn't they bring more generators and pumps alongside and greatly increase the rate of which the water could be pumped out?


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Are you sure they didn't do any of those? I see posts previously that specifically address some of those questions. Before continuing to respond, why don't you read the whole of these threads and ask informed questions?


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Nic Cage in a movie with vintage aircraft and desperate men? Great idea!

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Producers were not available for an on-camera interview, but said in a statement:

"The Vintage PBY being used by production met a tragic end at the hands of the sea yesterday, and the salvage company was unable to save the aircraft. The PBY will be immortalized in the film, as will the unfortunate events surrounding the USS Indianapolis and the rescue teams from the US Navy. God Bless America. Freedom isn't free. With our collective respect and gratefulness, our heart shouts out for our military, and their families, in harm’s way. Happy July 4th and God Bless the USA."

Laying it on a bit thick, aren't they? :evil:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:41 pm 
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Sorry to hear about the PBY.i am not a Nicholas Cage fan either, or too much that comes out of Hollywood now.


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A friend of mine on FaceBook (I don't have his permission to name him yet), who is a PBY qualified pilot who flies Yagens PBY and the Liberty Foundation's B-17, made the comment that this was totally the flight crews fault for not checking to make sure the hull plugs were installed before the planned water landing. He was also contacted by Atlanta Air Salvage for information about recovering the plane. He's made a comment on FaceBook that he'd been made aware of the details from the salvage folks, and he's sure it wasn't their fault. Still, a real shame--having seen Liberty Belle burn firsthand, I can sympathize with the people who worked so hard on this plane....... :(

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:34 pm 
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Remember when we used to have Jimmy Stewart in Hollywood? People in the film industry that walked the walk, not talk the talk like they do today?


He not only was a talented ACTOR, but he also made a life career in the air force, and he did it all with tact. Don't find that anymore......... :?

RIP Mr. Stewart. I miss your generation.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:31 am 
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So, what happens next for this airframe? I'd assume the owners had it insured, so the hulk would become the insurance company's to dispose of. While it may never be airworthy again, it could probably be put back together for a static display, don't you think? At a minimum, I'm sure the waist blisters would find their way into another PBY restoration.

If money was no object, could this plane be made airworthy again? We've seen a lot of other planes start off with a lot worse than what's left of this one.


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