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Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:46 pm

I'd like to see a display at my local museum of say, a poor condition and/or incomplete example of an aircraft wrapped in cosmoline. Also, hung by the proper crane type equipment. As long as they are hanging planes, why not make it more realistic? Use these pics as a guide. Maybe Soplata's P-47 fuselage all shrink wrapped. Was the color of this wrap material black? It gives the planes a different feel, makes me think the A-20's look Japanese.

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:52 pm

Another view of 1940's military aviation in the form of many great photos.

Sincere thanks for the time and effort you take to bring these to us Mark.

Much appreciated.

Thanks again,

Barry

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:14 pm

Really cool Mark. I have a copy of the video for field assembly of the Jug shipped in three crates. You know it takes 50 able bodied airmen to carry a P-47 wing? Awesome process to watch.

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:54 pm

Your welcome gents. Best I post the rest of them ...

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A damaged Lockheed P-38 on part of an assault barge is brought into port at the Dufferin Docks, Belfast, Northern Ireland.

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A Dutch oil tanker arrives at Belfast, Northern Ireland, bearing a cargo of Republic P-47 Thunderbolts in addition to its regular cargo of oil. 13 February 1944.

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P-47 Thunderbolt being unloaded at Pearl Harbor in 1942 for delivery to Hickam Field

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Lockheed P-38s are unloaded from the deck of an American ship after it docked at Belfast, Ireland.

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Lockheed P-38 Being Unloaded From A Ship At Queens Dock, Liverpool, England. 9 January 1943.

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Lockheed P-38 Going Along Queen'S Drive In Liverpool On The Way To Liverpool Airport, Speke, England. 9 January 1943.

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P-47S Are Carried To An Airfield On Trucks After They Were Unloaded At Liverpool, England From Tankers Which Transported Them From The United States. 29 February 1944.

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Lockheed P-38 Lightning aircraft before their wings and engines were installed

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North American P-51'S And Douglas A-20'S Are Lined Up On The Dock At Liverpool, England After They Were Unloaded From A Ship Which Transported Them From The United States. 29 February 1944

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North American P-51'S And Republic P-47'S At Lockheed Reassembly Plant, Liverpool Airport, Speke, Liverpool, England. 14 December 1943.

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:03 pm

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RAF trucks with a special mount to transport the heavy P-47 Thunderbolt through the streets near Liverpool on November 19,1943

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P-38 is lowered from the USS Delmorte on to a waiting carrier by U.S. Army soldiers and Lockheed Aircraft Corporation workers at the port of the Dufferin Docks Belfast,

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P-51s are transferred from the deck of an American tanker to a heavy raft which is pulled into the dock by a tug at Belfast, Ireland

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Republic P-47 Thunderbolts are unlashed and made ready to be unloaded at Belfast, Northern Ireland. 11 August 1943.

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Republic P-47'S Are Loaded On A Lighter For Transportation To The Dock At Liverpool, England.

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Lockheed P-38s are shown on the deck of an American ship just before they were unloaded at the dock at Belfast, Ireland.

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Redeployment - Fighter Planes - Republic P-47 Thunderbolts On The Carrier Deck At Liverpool, England.

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The American oil tanker Kenyon arrives at Belfast, Northern Ireland, laden with a cargo of Lockheed P-38 Lightnings in addition to its regular cargo of oil. 17 February 1944.

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North American P-51B, Hickam Field, 1943

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North American P-51 Is Degreased With Hot Kerosene At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England. 5 December 1943.

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:32 am

Courier Sportster wrote:.....an aircraft wrapped in cosmoline. Maybe Soplata's P-47 fuselage all shrink wrapped. Was the color of this wrap material black?

The wrap around the cowlings and canopies isn't a shrink wrap, but is a cotton duck or linen material...like a light tent canvas...waterproofed to a degree by being rubberized or a impregged with wax, but then the cosmoline would seal it up when sprayed over it. The cosmoline would be oily when it was applied but sets up a firm waxy finish. Go back to the photos on the previous page and one of the P-38's looks like it's engine was wrapped with a light colored cotton or linen and the exterior layer has already been ripped off. Take another look at the P-61 where the canopy cover has been peeled away and looks like it had a lighter undermaterial over the plexi. Note the later photo Mark posted(above) of the P-51 being pressure washed with kerosene to remove grease(cosmoline)...note it running off landing gear inner doors. As for color of the canvas...I dunno, but I'd guess od green or brown. The cosmoline looks black but is a really dark brown. Find a gun collector and he'll more than likely have something in his stash that's been cosmolined...

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:56 pm

seagull61785 wrote:Another view of 1940's military aviation in the form of many great photos.
Sincere thanks for the time and effort you take to bring these to us Mark.
Much appreciated.
Thanks again,
Barry


I'll second Barry's fine comment and add, "well done Mark; you continue to amaze and instruct. I truly enjoy your postings!"

-Tom

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:47 pm

Thanks for another very interesting thread, Mark. Here a few shots from Google Life that I found a while back that was titled "Convoy to Africa".

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Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:42 pm

Thx Larry, those are really nice photos.

Per a recent request ... more stuff.

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North American P-51 Is Degreased With Hot Kerosene At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England. 5 December 1943

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Mechanics Remove The Protective Grease Coating From Newly-Arrived North American P-51S At An Assembly Station At Filton, England. 18 April 1944

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Republic P-47S Are Unloaded From Transport Trucks At An Airbase Near London, England After They Were Transported From The Docks.

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North American P-51 Is Moved Into A Hangar For Reassembly At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England. 7 December 1943.

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The Engine Of A North American P-51 Is Tested Before The Test Flight At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England. 14 December 1943.

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North American P-51s and Republic P-47s are shown on the deck of a tanker in Ireland after they were transported from an American port. 5 October 1943.

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Two USAAF P-51 Mustangs (serial numbers 43-6798 and 43-6985) and a Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm Grumman Avenger at a US assembly depot field in England.

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North American P-51 Is Degreased With Hot Kerosene At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England. 5 December 1943.

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Dispersal Area At Speke, England Awaiting Processing For Redeployment To The States And Eventually Service In The Pacific Air War

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Mechanics Make Final Engine Tests On A Douglas A-20 At An Air Force Assembly Station At Filton, England. 18 April 1944

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Lt. Charles H. Clark Of Los Angeles, Calif., Climbs Into A Reassembled North American P-51 At The Lockheed Reassembly Plant At Liverpool, England

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General View Of North American P-51S And Other Fighter And Attack Planes Just Arrived At An Air Force Supply Base At Filton, England

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Air Service Command mechanics wait for a P-47 on the dock at Liverpool

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Aerial photograph of Speke airfield looking east, the technical site and control tower are on the left, 10 August 1945

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Aerial photograph of Speke airfield looking west, the technical site and control tower are on the right, 9 March 1948

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:22 pm

I wonder who you had to piss off to get that job? Reeking of solvent and cosmoline for the duration...groan. Hopefully after displaying some common sense(don't p.o. the sarge) and motivation you'd soon rise to a desirable tech specialty... pop2
Great subject Mark!

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:17 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:Image
Two USAAF P-51 Mustangs (serial numbers 43-6798 and 43-6985) and a Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm Grumman Avenger at a US assembly depot field in England.


Joe Baugher wrote:(43-)6985 (4th FG, 335th FS, 8th AF) shot down by Fw 190A-6 flown by unknown pilot and unit 10 mi S of Limburg, Germany Mar 2, 1944. MACR 2790. Pilot killed.
(43-)6798 (4th FG, 334th FS) lost Mar 5, 1944. MACR 3046. Plane experienced engine failure on return from B-17 escort mission to Limoges and Bordeaux and crash landed S of Le Havre. Pilot evaded for 6 months and worked with the French resistance and the American OSS. Pilot returned to England Sep 2, 1944 following the liberation of Paris.

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Mechanics Make Final Engine Tests On A Douglas A-20 At An Air Force Assembly Station At Filton, England. 18 April 1944

Joe Baugher wrote:(43-)10206 (416th BG) lost May 27, 1944. MACR 5032
(43-)10170 (410th BG) lost Oct 28, 1944. MACR 9622

(Going on the assumption that "206" came from the same production batch as "170".)

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:10 pm

Hi...I'm new to the forum....I managed to track down the colour LIFE photos (by Dmitri Kessel) to the Google LIFE archive (not easy these days!!) but have all the photos posted by Mark Allen M been removed now? Or is there some way to view them?

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:24 pm

Yes, send me your e-mail address.
mam121061@aol.com

M

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:47 pm

Not one of pics are for me anyhow

Re: Shipments, Shipments and more Shipments ...

Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:50 am

Dirty,

You've made your point to whoever you think might be interested many times now. Why don't you just give it a rest?

Mac
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