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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:37 pm 
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I talked to a member of the ground crew this afternoon. He said they blew a tire and a replacement wouldn't be there until Monday. Meaning the MoF visit will be delayed to Monday night at the earliest. They also had the brake drums off and were inspecting them pretty thoroughly.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:41 pm 
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Sorry...I don't have a dog in the fight, and wasn't trying to doubt you or speculate. Was just passing on what I was told.
Speedy, I wasn't referring to you, sorry for the confusion there. I meant your post contradicts what more than one member of the crew ordered me to change on my intial post as being 'incorrect' info when it wasn't at all. Sorry if I didn't communicate that correctly... it was meant as sarcasm, directed at those who thought they had some manner of authority over me (or any non-CAF member).
The irony here was my wife had already given the OK for me to sign up for a B-29 ride at a later stop as I was going to be in the same area as the superfort again very soon. Not a chance in heck I'd do that now, and the landing incident has nothing to do with that.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:54 am 
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I meant your post contradicts what more than one member of the crew ordered me to change on my intial post as being 'incorrect' info when it wasn't at all.

I'm finding this whole thread to be somewhat confusing. Nothing personal towards you as you seem to be posting facts as opposed to speculation and that's fine IMO. My confusion is why are you involved with any conversations with the crew of the CAF? Why the need for that and why would they be "ordering" you around and confronting you in parking lots to change your posts on an Internet forum. Perhaps I'm simply reading your posts incorrectly, but who are these people you refer to and why does anything you post matter so much to them? Facts are facts and more than a few folks have stated the same results as you did. Why are people bothering you?

I'd let it go and continue to work on your ride someday in that big airplane as I'm sure you'll really enjoy it far more than some weird drama someone's trying to stir up with you. Who ever they are that are causing you grief simply don't give them the satisfaction and move on.

It sounds like the incident wasn't that big a deal other than the loss of some $$ to replace some tires and the airplane survived any major catastrophe (as well as the crew) and the B-29 lived to fly another day.

You say you don't answer to them? Well then don't answer to who ever "them" are. You did nothing wrong. Life goes on.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:12 am 
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The irony here was my wife had already given the OK for me to sign up for a B-29 ride at a later stop as I was going to be in the same area as the superfort again very soon. Not a chance in heck I'd do that now, and the landing incident has nothing to do with that.


Let me see if I get this right....

1. You post information here in an amateur capacity about an aircraft incident with which you were not directly involved, have no official public position with the organization, and do not vet the information directly (actually go visualize the aircraft). The incident involved flight of the aircraft.

2. Members of said organization rough handle you and ask you to change your post.

3. You change your post, add photos, and post more un-vetted information here.

4. Now you claim that you were going to fly on the aircraft, but are no longer willing to do so.

Do you understand what you just did? Because you just did great dis-service to the CAF and Fifi, and in fact just cast doubt on the safety of the aircraft and every operation in a very public forum. Don't think you did that? Here's the logic train- incident happened, I posted it, I was asked not to post it, now I won't fly. That is the very definition of bad public information.

This is why I absolutely, positively, 100% do not approve of initial dispersal of information here on WIX by persons not involved directly in aircraft operations in official capacity. While I am no advocate or detractor of the CAF, and the interference of the CAF persons in this person's postings is questionable, the posting was wrong to start with and has ended badly.

I hope this topic gets cleaned up, and I hope most people with half a brain can see my point.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:46 am 
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and I hope most people with half a brain can see my point.

One half of my feeble brain certainly sees 'a' point your making, the other half sees not too much a problem with folks posting their thoughts and observations about an aircraft incident on an Internet forum IF and only IF their remarks are responsible, thoughtful and respectful. Responsible being the key here. Get your facts straight first then post away.

Generally speaking keep the negative crap to yourselves, it never does any good for anyone.

Most of us are adults who are capably of drawing our own logical conclusions (hopefully)

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:40 am 
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Can we vote on this thread to be one of the most bizarre threads for 2014?

We have a small incident.

We have the CAF Mafia manhandling posters on WIX and in the dark shadows of an airport parking lot.

We have retractions on the reporting of said minor incident.

Who gets to be Deep Throat?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:24 am 
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Mark Allen M wrote:
Forgotten Field wrote:
and I hope most people with half a brain can see my point.

One half of my feeble brain certainly sees 'a' point your making, the other half sees not too much a problem with folks posting their thoughts and observations about an aircraft incident on an Internet forum IF and only IF their remarks are responsible, thoughtful and respectful. Responsible being the key here. Get your facts straight first then post away.

Generally speaking keep the negative crap to yourselves, it never does any good for anyone.

Most of us are adults who are capably of drawing our own logical conclusions (hopefully)



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:26 am 
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Quite simply, P51's first post was incorrect. Many people didn't like the the "I've got to post the pictures and put the news out first" tone of that post. He probably didn't mean it like that but that was how it was taken and I think most people can see why. Honest mistake. When I walked into the hangar on Saturday, I heard a person say "I was told they collapsed the gear, how did the get the B-29 fixed so soon?" Within the time it took me to get to the end of the hangar I had probably five different people ask me about everything from flat tires to could they have their money back because they came to watch the plane fly and it obviously wasn't going to happen. Couple this with about fifty or so text messages, emails and phone calls from people telling me they'd heard we were off in the trees, through the fence and on the highway, inverted in the drainage ditch, etc. etc. I know P51 as he's been a long time supporter of this airshow. I happened to see him as he walked past me in the hangar and I called out to him. I told him that his post was wrong, factually, and he needed to at least post the facts or delete the entire thing. I was rude, it got tense, he defended his actions. The previous night another member of the crew emailed him and told him that his post was wrong and he needed to change or delete it. Same thing I did, different style. This other crew member came up attempted to talk to Lee. He turned around and walked out of the hangar. It was hardly a gang style showdown or anything like that. My problem was his initial post.
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I'm typing this from my phone, but the CAFs B29 had real problems landing on the Friday afternoon flight. They blew one tire in the nose for certain and I heard the crew later referring to tires, as in more than one. It was still sitting at the end of the runway when I left. I will post more info and some photos I took of the landing as soon as I can...


I told him that the "real problems landing" was overly dramatic. I also told him that the "blew one tire in the nose for certain" was not for certain as there was certainly no flat nose tire. I told him that one main tire blew. I am 100% sure that I told him that. He may have misunderstood me or forgotten that I said it but that is exactly what I told him. At the time the airplane was about 40 feet from us, on display for the public and definately had a blown tire. I told him how the number of people on the airplane were the exact number of people that knew what had happened and anybody else, CAF or not, basically had no idea what happened. I was rude about it and I admit it. However, as Lee says, very soon after that I made the effort to locate him, shake his hand and offer a sincere apology for my attitude. I talked to him about how speculation and such put the entire warbird business in a bad light, told him how before the crew got out of the airplane people were calling wanting to know how the plane went off the runway, through the fence, blew all tires, collapsed the landing gear and flattened a bus full of orpan pygmies. I told him how we had to wait for the field to close for the evening and the crowd to thin out before we went and pulled the airplane back to the ramp. I told him we needed to replace a blown tire and two flat spotted ones but nothing else was hurt, the plane never left the pavement etc. At least two other times over the course of the morning I went out of my way to chase Lee down and apologize again. I even let him crawl up and take a look in the Corsair as a peace offering. I didn't do any of this as damage control or anything like that. I did it because I was genuinely sorry for the way I talked to him. As far as I knew everything was good between us and life would go on.

As for the rest of his comments on here since then...well I have no comment. It was hardly as dramatic of an encounter as it sounds like it was. It was far from a gang interception in the alley and I have no knowledge of any of the older squadron members ever saying a word to him about it. The only people there that even know who he is is me and the other guy that was with me.

You always see comments from people about how speculation causes trouble when the people actually involved get wind of it, things get misunderstood and such. This was one of those situations. If you ever wonder what it is like to find out that the wild speculation is about you and your good friends, well I know what it is like now. I was on the plane.

I apologized to Lee, I meant it, I was under the impression he accepted it, and that is it.

The entire event from then to now was blown out of proportion. That is all I will be saying about this.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:19 am 
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Brad, thanks for that. It's sad to see how these things develop sometimes.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:24 pm 
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Amen Brad.

This is exactly the kind of thread that gives ALL of WIX a bad name.

I have heard directly from the aircrew involved in the incident, people I trust, people I would trust with my life....and none of what they have to say jives with what the original poster has to say.

People need to understand that words mean things and that things posted here should be factual. IF you don't know the FACTS don't post it. It creates real problems for folks down the line.

I am going to close this thread for now. Brad has publicly apologized (something he did not need to do) If the original poster would like to contact me and offer up an apology in kind I will re-open the thread for his opportunity.

Be smart out there people.
Be nice out there people.

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