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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:02 am 
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The futur of this collection is perhaps impacted by some past events : is there the story of a historic racing Corsair sold with the restriction that the plane could be restored to static exposition only, and was put airworthy at the end ?

Of course, it's the Soplata familly right to decide the future of these planes, but i doub't the best way to insure their futur is to do a sale to one buyer : the plane will be kept in storage for decades.
Allowing individuals or museum to acquire one or few plane to take care of it would be the best way to maximize to see them restored one day.


Walter said to me in 2006 that when he sold any aircraft, part of the agreement was that they would never fly again! I personally can't confirm this or not, merely relaying what Walter said to me. And at that time his health had started to decline. I was told about things that are there that people don't know about.

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...Of course, and most tragically, Walt proved to be prescient about the 1947 Thompson Trophy-winning F2G. Of course, once the aircraft was sold, Walt would have little control over what the next owner chose to do, which in this case was to sell the Corsair on for rebuild to fly...and fly she did, but far too briefly...

I'd be quite interested to hear about "things that are there that no one knows about". Even now I'll spy things in my photos from my visits to Walt's 30 years ago that I squint at and ask myself, just what the heck is that? Oh for my little digital camera with its 1200 photos per SD card, in the summers of '82 and '84 at Newbury...

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Ref your first pic of the RB-36. Was that a P-51 fuselage stuffed in there?

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I remember that. I was having conversations with Paul at TSWM about another P-47 and he had told me that the asking price for the fuselage was 175K! I know a couple people from TSWM had went to the farm a time or two to inspect the fuselage.

IIRC, they were there to pick up some ailerons to use for the museum's Corsair. They have some pictures too. If I remember, I'll check on Saturday.

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Walter said to me in 2006 that when he sold any aircraft, part of the agreement was that they would never fly again! I personally can't confirm this or not, merely relaying what Walter said to me. And at that time his health had started to decline. I was told about things that are there that people don't know about.

I've always wondered if he could have managed some sort of legal clause in the sale documents that would require the owner (and any subsequent owners) to prevent the aircraft from being made airworthy. Not that he would actually try that, just if he could have - hypothetically.

If I could make one suggestion to his family, it would be to look into moving the aircraft indoors. Or at the very least try to cover the airframes better, even just with some tarps. Heck, I'd even volunteer to help construct some sort of better protective structure myself. I always hope(d) that some good Samaritan storage owner steps in. I understand that moving them indoors would be expensive and I don't know where you'd find a place to put them, but they have to understand that if they want to have anything left to sell, they better do something.

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There's a set of (really bad) photos on Flickr (which explains why they're really bad) taken at the Soplata farm, by people who unfortunately appear to have been trespassing to do so.


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I've seen the pictures that have been posted and a majority of those pictures were taken while the person was allowed access to the property and in a couple instances people had "wandered" onto the property uninvited. Maybe that is why Walter put up fence around the property!

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Steve T wrote:
...Of course, and most tragically, Walt proved to be prescient about the 1947 Thompson Trophy-winning F2G. Of course, once the aircraft was sold, Walt would have little control over what the next owner chose to do, which in this case was to sell the Corsair on for rebuild to fly...and fly she did, but far too briefly...

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Has there been any announcement about any possible attempts to rebuild the aircraft (or if such a project would even be feasible)?


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Ref your first pic of the RB-36. Was that a P-51 fuselage stuffed in there?


Bob,
What you see, is one of the fuselages of the twin mustang, currently being restored by Tom Reilly and company.

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I've always wondered if he could have managed some sort of legal clause in the sale documents that would require the owner (and any subsequent owners) to prevent the aircraft from being made airworthy. Not that he would actually try that, just if he could have - hypothetically.


I believe that the "Rules Against Perpetuities" would probably render any such attempt legally invalid.


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Thats first year property law and only applies to land.... "Rule Against Perpetuities"

HOWEVER in CONTRACT.... If you sell something with a stipulation, which must be applied to all future sales, you can do it....

Example.... You buy the plane, you can not fly it...... Fine... Obviously someone wanted it bad enough to agree to that. If the purchaser decides to sell he should have to find someone who also agrees to these terms..... Problem is WHAT ARE THE DAMAGES? Damages (either a momentary amount or course of action) should be written into the initial contract.... IE... If its flown damages are $100,000 to the originial seller OR Title of aircraft reverts to original seller...

Happens all the time in REAL ESTATE LAW..... Land sold with restrictions.... House design must pass subdivision committee.... House has a minimum size.... No mobile homes, no out buildings, no junk (unlicensed) cars, underground utilities, paved driveway, can't cut certain trees on property, adults only (55 and over) live there (in retirement communities), etc. List is endless.

If you agree to a contract, you need to follow it or else... A certain BLACK F-82 in Texas seems to come to mind on that one.......

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:17 pm 
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I stand corrected (teaches me to pull something out from the foggy depths of my middle-aged memory and post it without double-checking first).


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Sorry. Not picking on Jsf61 here. He brought this to another level...


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