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Responses to Wildchild and to brucev

For Wildchild:

Your question "..what will I do with the wreck":

The wreck will be property of the PNG Government but I would expect that a deal will be done bwteen the U.S and PNG guvmints in the form of some Foreign Aid to secure the wreckage for America. What happens when it is found again will be totally out of my hands. The U.S. already sends military assistance to PNG in the form of village locality assistance (school building, water reticulation and so forth), so I would not expect the PNG guvmint to hold out too big a hand...

In regard to "the remains":

The remains will have to be carefully removed and I will be asking JPAC to take control of that, through a request to the U.S. Embassy in Port Moresby. JPAC "sort of" regularly visits PNG to search for MIA's from WWII so it would be an exercise for the Military (as they are the acknowledged experts), provided the Military is assigned the permission and the funds to do the job.

While JPAC is there (hopefully) they can also have a look at the B-17 wreckage from 42-2429 (I think I have the correct number) which went down in late 1942 and which rests on a hillside a good distance away from where we search. I do believe that the remains of the tail gunner are still in the empennage which broke off and ended up some distance away from the main wreckage, I know that with some surety. The main wreckage for this B-17 is on its' belly and if it had a ball turret (as opposed to a dorsal gun) he might not have been able to get out either. It exploded at altitude and bits of it are all over the place. CILHI went looking for this wreckage in 1985 but were unsuccesful at finding any of the big bits. There are no engines at this wreck and I have only ever seen one of the Cyclones which is (or was) in a river bed as it has now been freed and washed away.

For brucev

How do we know it is buried ?

Put three things together: A crazy bulldozer driver, tribal divisions and forestry. The driver is now deceased but his brother in law held the secret until last year. We now have the area narrowed down to about 2 or 3 acres. It will now be wooded and we will need metal detectors and a chainsaw and lots of two-stroke, spare chains and lube oil.

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to: d. billings and dedicated team: well, i'm purty darn excited about this staggering turn of events-- news new to me but 18 years old to some/most. too dang bad the australian patrol weren't carrying a camera in 1945! that's how i would have liked to have seen it in situ, undisturbed. i bet alot of folks would sure enjoy being in on this search and dig, despite the critters and thorny things. i watch and wait patiently for these vicarious thrills. my 87-year old mom is an erhart, spelled a tad differently but who knows, my fascination with this search might be DNA based! go find her and best of luck. this is a very noble endeavour and i spell it like that for you aussies...my tip of the hat to ya


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Amelia Earhart Plane May Have Been Discovered Behind My Barbeque

Possible manmade parts found that might have been part of Amelia’s aircraft’s landing gear.
By Robert Goyer / Published: Aug 20, 2012
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It’s very possible that the wreckage of Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed Electra 10E has been at long last located. Objects that might well be part of the wreckage were spotted recently in the bushes behind my barbeque in Austin, Texas, a location where searchers had not previously focused their efforts. “We thought we might have been closing in on the wreckage, but until we spotted what can only be described as a small but curious debris field right off the edge of the deck, we weren’t sure we were looking in the right place,” said the leader of the Austin expedition, which is, er, me.

The exact location of the wreckage of Earhart’s plane has long been a mystery. The pilot, along with her navigator Fred Noonan, disappeared more than 75 years ago on one of the last legs of the pair’s round-the-world journey. There have long been theories as to what happened to the doomed flight—some even suggested that Earhart had been taken prisoner by the Japanese and held in captivity for years after the crash. And at least one team of searchers has been making regular visits to the South Pacific in search of the wreckage.

It wasn’t until last week, however, that I spotted the evidence myself in my backyard, inexplicably right behind the Kenmore grill. Previous searches had focused in vain on the herb garden to the west of the house, before I shifted my attention to the back of the house, theorizing that shifting winds might have taken the flight in that direction.

Until last year Austin, Texas, had not been considered a likely candidate to find the wreckage. After all, it is many thousands of miles east of where Earhart’s plane was presumed to have run out of fuel, and in order for the flight to have reached Austin, it would have had to have flown over parts of the North American continent for half a day, indeed for days after it should have run out of fuel. Fortunately, however, members of the search team were not thrown off by the seeming inconsistencies of the search effort and continued working to find some evidence.

That evidence, pictured above, might possibly be the red plastic dog bowl that Earhart or Noonan had onboard with them. There has long been talk of a dog and the red plastic bowl by islanders who are no longer around to confirm or deny such reports. Either that or it might be part of the landing gear. It’s probably part of the landing gear.

Before the wreckage could be recovered, cloudy weather and dinner forced the search team to return to base. It’s not clear when they will have another opportunity to return to explore the possible debris field, though donations, a spokesman said, would help. Benefactors are currently being sought to allow searchers to procure supplies, chiefly beer but steaks too, to enable a return expedition soon.

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Group Claims Debris Could Be Earhart Wreckage
By Bethany Whitfield / Published: Aug 21, 2012

An expedition team launched last month to search for the wreckage of Amelia Earhart’s aircraft claims it has shot high-definition video that shows man-made debris in the area where organizers theorize Earhart crash-landed her Lockheed Electra 75 years ago.

The team behind the search effort is The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (Tighar), a group comprised of researchers who believe Earhart likely made an emergency landing on the island of Nikumaroro during her attempt to circumnavigate the globe in 1937, instead of running out of fuel short of Howland Island, which remains the predominant theory.

Last month Tighar researchers headed to Nikumaroro to undertake a $2.2 million search effort — funded by the Discovery Channel and Lockheed Martin, among others — that involved the use of underwater robots with sonar and high-definition cameras to inspect the area. After encountering a number of setbacks due to the challenging physical nature of the coral reef-filled waters, the team headed home, with no news of new evidence regarding the final resting place of Earhart or her aircraft.

Tighar researchers, however, claim that a review of high-definition video footage collected during the search has yielded the finding of man-made debris in the area. The group says that further analysis of the footage is needed, but that the debris field is located in the region that matches that of a 1937 photo Tighar team members say shows what could be the landing gear of Earhart’s aircraft. The object of interest in the photo is approximately the size of a grain of rice.

Many remain skeptical of the group’s findings to date, as well as the likelihood of uncovering the mystery of Earhart’s disappearance so many years after her ill-fated flight. Prior expeditions to the area have not resulted in the finding of any wreckage.

View our Amelia Earhart commemorative photo gallery here.

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jack973 wrote:
Amelia Earhart Plane May Have Been Discovered Behind My Barbeque

Possible manmade parts found that might have been part of Amelia’s aircraft’s landing gear.
By Robert Goyer / Published: Aug 20, 2012
image-c42mgrD

It’s very possible that the wreckage of Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed Electra 10E has been at long last located. Objects that might well be part of the wreckage were spotted recently in the bushes behind my barbeque in Austin, Texas, a location where searchers had not previously focused their efforts. “We thought we might have been closing in on the wreckage, but until we spotted what can only be described as a small but curious debris field right off the edge of the deck, we weren’t sure we were looking in the right place,” said the leader of the Austin expedition, which is, er, me.

The exact location of the wreckage of Earhart’s plane has long been a mystery. The pilot, along with her navigator Fred Noonan, disappeared more than 75 years ago on one of the last legs of the pair’s round-the-world journey. There have long been theories as to what happened to the doomed flight—some even suggested that Earhart had been taken prisoner by the Japanese and held in captivity for years after the crash. And at least one team of searchers has been making regular visits to the South Pacific in search of the wreckage.

It wasn’t until last week, however, that I spotted the evidence myself in my backyard, inexplicably right behind the Kenmore grill. Previous searches had focused in vain on the herb garden to the west of the house, before I shifted my attention to the back of the house, theorizing that shifting winds might have taken the flight in that direction.

Until last year Austin, Texas, had not been considered a likely candidate to find the wreckage. After all, it is many thousands of miles east of where Earhart’s plane was presumed to have run out of fuel, and in order for the flight to have reached Austin, it would have had to have flown over parts of the North American continent for half a day, indeed for days after it should have run out of fuel. Fortunately, however, members of the search team were not thrown off by the seeming inconsistencies of the search effort and continued working to find some evidence.

That evidence, pictured above, might possibly be the red plastic dog bowl that Earhart or Noonan had onboard with them. There has long been talk of a dog and the red plastic bowl by islanders who are no longer around to confirm or deny such reports. Either that or it might be part of the landing gear. It’s probably part of the landing gear.

Before the wreckage could be recovered, cloudy weather and dinner forced the search team to return to base. It’s not clear when they will have another opportunity to return to explore the possible debris field, though donations, a spokesman said, would help. Benefactors are currently being sought to allow searchers to procure supplies, chiefly beer but steaks too, to enable a return expedition soon.

http://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/going-di ... y-barbeque




As improbable as Mr. Goyer's claim that Earhart wreckage may be located in his backyard, the red plastic bowl provides strong circumstantial evidence that he may very well be correct. Period photographic evidence suggests that Earhart not only came in contact with dogs, but may very well have had an affinity for such creatures. The likelihood that the red plastic bowl once held dogfood is truly compelling.


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Although I am in no condition to personally search an inhospitable locale like residential Austin, I would like to make a monetary donation to Mr. Goyer's upcoming expedition. Did his original article provide an address for those, like me, who quite obviously have more money than common sense? Thank you.

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That evidence, pictured above, might possibly be the red plastic dog bowl that Earhart or Noonan had onboard with them. There has long been talk of a dog and the red plastic bowl by islanders who are no longer around to confirm or deny such reports. Either that or it might be part of the landing gear. It’s probably part of the landing gear.

Before the wreckage could be recovered, cloudy weather and dinner forced the search team to return to base. It’s not clear when they will have another opportunity to return to explore the possible debris field, though donations, a spokesman said, would help. Benefactors are currently being sought to allow searchers to procure supplies, chiefly beer but steaks too, to enable a return expedition soon.



Thanks Jack! Funny stuff.

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Can we stop giving Liar, err I mean TIGHAR attention at least until something of substance is found? Sorry I would carry on but I am near Howland Island and Fred is calling for my assistance

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I have never read anything in detail about the AE loss, but have heard of TIGHAR and its island jaunts for years. I dvr'd the recent Discovery Channel program (an hour of my life I won't get back) and I was surprised to learn about the little 6000 ton canoe--SS NORWICH CITY--that went aground on the island in 1929.

I had no knowledge of this fact before yesterday. Kind of puts a different spin on artifacts, bones, fire pits, and all the other isolated little forensic details TIGHAR brings up all the time. I read some of the crew narrative from NORWICH CITY and was amazed that they lost 11 of their crew in the grounding; how much stuff the crew recovered to aid their survival; buried fellow crew members on the island; and more enlightening facts. Fresh water source; Swarms of sharks; Crabs that had no problem biting the living let alone someone who was injured or dead.

That 6000 TON ship has been reduced to next to nothing over 75 years with the parts scattered all over creation on and off shore down there. That fact--for me--also puts the Lockheed 10E in perspective as it is a mere 3 tons of semi-buoyant aluminum.

Weight of evidence--on par with weight of objects--makes any "find" by TIGHAR a 2000-to-1 proposition to be proved.

That can not be circumvented by their use of the terms "only belong to"...or..."must have been from"...

There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that a Lockeed Electra or AE and FN ever set foot on that island...but on the other hand you can make a case for a 6000 ton freighter and 25+ crew being there. News to me....

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jack973 wrote:
Amelia Earhart Plane May Have Been Discovered Behind My Barbeque

Possible manmade parts found that might have been part of Amelia’s aircraft’s landing gear.
By Robert Goyer / Published: Aug 20, 2012
image-c42mgrD

It’s very possible that the wreckage of Amelia Earhart’s Lockheed Electra 10E has been at long last located. Objects that might well be part of the wreckage were spotted recently in the bushes behind my barbeque in Austin, Texas, a location where searchers had not previously focused their efforts. “We thought we might have been closing in on the wreckage, but until we spotted what can only be described as a small but curious debris field right off the edge of the deck, we weren’t sure we were looking in the right place,” said the leader of the Austin expedition, which is, er, me.

The exact location of the wreckage of Earhart’s plane has long been a mystery. The pilot, along with her navigator Fred Noonan, disappeared more than 75 years ago on one of the last legs of the pair’s round-the-world journey. There have long been theories as to what happened to the doomed flight—some even suggested that Earhart had been taken prisoner by the Japanese and held in captivity for years after the crash. And at least one team of searchers has been making regular visits to the South Pacific in search of the wreckage.

It wasn’t until last week, however, that I spotted the evidence myself in my backyard, inexplicably right behind the Kenmore grill. Previous searches had focused in vain on the herb garden to the west of the house, before I shifted my attention to the back of the house, theorizing that shifting winds might have taken the flight in that direction.

Until last year Austin, Texas, had not been considered a likely candidate to find the wreckage. After all, it is many thousands of miles east of where Earhart’s plane was presumed to have run out of fuel, and in order for the flight to have reached Austin, it would have had to have flown over parts of the North American continent for half a day, indeed for days after it should have run out of fuel. Fortunately, however, members of the search team were not thrown off by the seeming inconsistencies of the search effort and continued working to find some evidence.

That evidence, pictured above, might possibly be the red plastic dog bowl that Earhart or Noonan had onboard with them. There has long been talk of a dog and the red plastic bowl by islanders who are no longer around to confirm or deny such reports. Either that or it might be part of the landing gear. It’s probably part of the landing gear.

Before the wreckage could be recovered, cloudy weather and dinner forced the search team to return to base. It’s not clear when they will have another opportunity to return to explore the possible debris field, though donations, a spokesman said, would help. Benefactors are currently being sought to allow searchers to procure supplies, chiefly beer but steaks too, to enable a return expedition soon.

http://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/going-di ... y-barbeque




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