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Cubs · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:45 pm

I'm convinced it's McCarran. Go to Google Earth and look at the 1965 image.
36°04'58.27" N 115°10'06.33" W

JDK · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 4:37 am

The Inspector wrote:

I mentioned the 188 in my initial posting.

Sorry, missed that. Worth adding it survives, though, unlike most other types!

And going back to that post, your 'Kaufman' is a 'Coffman' starter - I mention it because it's a brand name, and for some reasons regularly gets Germanised. It's an interesting process, we all know as a critical plot device from Flight of the Phoenix. On that note, any opinions as to the merit of using one cartridge to 'clean out the cylinders'? I've always been sceptical of that, but a good screwing-up of the tension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter

Regards,

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 7:25 am

JDK wrote:

It's an interesting process, we all know as a critical plot device from Flight of the Phoenix. On that note, any opinions as to the merit of using one cartridge to 'clean out the cylinders'? I've always been sceptical of that

The Coffman charge spins a pneumo-mechanical "starter", it doesn't actually fire into the cylinders...IIRC.
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JDK · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 7:42 am

Indeed. From the Flight page referenced in the Wiki page I linked to above:

Quote:

This starter is of the cartridge type, but the effect is not at all that to which we have been accustomed in the past. The cartridge is, in fact, of the slow-burning type and the expanding gases force up a piston which, through a quick thread, drives the engine through a complete revolution.

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 7:48 am

That definition is a bit cloudy...the patent drawings and legend are a bit clearer.

airnutz · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 8:06 am

mike furline wrote:

The Inspector wrote:

A) why were the degree lines painted on the outside and did the gunner have to climb out on the strut to check the angle?

B) laid out like that, the lines would seem to be more indicative of recovery angles or how to differentiate between a stall angle and a REALLY deep stall angle unless the 126 dive bombed inverted 'zo, how are zu liking us now?' :roll:

I believe the sighting lines were used by the Guy In Back. A photographer, who stood up, leaned out, and photo reconned "old school" style.

Dunno what the sighting lines would have to do with photography...I always understood them to involve something to do with the bombing role.

Googled around a bit and found an online copy of "German Short-Range Reconnaissance Planes 1930-1945, Griehl and Dressel, 1989 translation from German....identifying them as aides in glide and dive-bombing execution. Curious how they actually used them...GIB as triggerman?

Several photos from the period of various sources show the increments front to back as 50, 100 and 500, 1000.

Randy Wilson · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 10:26 am

I too had wondered if the lines might be used for bombing, perhaps the 50, 100, 500 and 1000 numbers are altitude in meters? I don't have any info to back that up but offer it for discussion.

Randy

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Randy Wilson · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 10:58 am

Found the fifth picture here http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/jparchive2008/bristol-brabazon-15937.aspx with the following caption: The prototype Bristol Brabazon, designed to fly transatlantic routes from the UK to USA, impresses crowds at an early Farnborough air show in 1950. However, the Vulcan looks like a very early model and I think that the second prototype flew at Farnborough in September, 1955, so that might be a more likely date if these are from the same show. In the forth and seventh photos, I think that is a Handley Page Victor B. 1. More later when I have time.

Randy

Warbirdnerd · **Joined:** Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:34 pm **Posts:** 2923

Mark Allen M wrote:

This Spitfire is still around...
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/spitregi ... sl542.html

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2636

Picture #9 is a Short Sperrin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sperrin

Picture #14 is a Saunders-Roe Princess. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_Princess

wendovertom · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 1:02 pm

So what did the USN do with the Princess??!! What about the other two airframes??

Tom P.

needle · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 2:18 pm

Vulcan in the air, and Blackburn Beverley on the ground.

Mark Allen M wrote:

September 1960. Front left going clockwise: de Havilland Sea Vixen, Hawker Hunter FR.10, Hawker Hunter T.Mk66A, Gloster Javelin, not sure of aircraft between Javelin and the tail sticking up….maybe a Blackburn Buccaneer!. Tail sticking up is Avro 748 from which the Andover was developed. Top left…Armstrong Whitworth Argosy, Avro Vulcan, not sure of the twin, Handley Page Victor, Vickers Vangaurd, Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer, with English Electric Lightnings behind it, ?, Bristol Belvedere helicopter, and 2 Folland Gnats down center.

Mark Allen M wrote:

Handley Page Victor B.2. This aircraft is XH669, which, in a later life became a K.2 tanker aircraft, and I would refuel from this actual aircraft in April 1982 in the South Atlantic.

Mark Allen M wrote:

Bristol Brabazon. This must have been an earlier year at Farnborough, because the Brabazen was scrapped in 1953.

Mark Allen M wrote:

Javellin in the air, Ford Popular (4 door) on the ground. (My first car was a 2 door Ford “Pop”. 3 speed manual, no syncro on the gears, and vacuum wipers that stopped when you went up hill. Great car!)

Mark Allen M wrote:

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The Inspector · **Posted:** Tue May 01, 2012 2:54 pm

Quite a mix of Farnborough airshows there, really early stuff, the VULCAN is either the prototype or a very early airframe as it doesn't have the 'cranked' wing, really early or again prototype VICTOR but in another picture a later one probably 1959/60 because of the Vickers 'Mud guard' turboprop replacement for the VISCOUNT. just all kinds of eye candy :supz:

I believe the BRABAZON flew over the show in 1952.
Th SARO PRINCESS was strictly a British program, of the three built I believe only one flew just to prove it could, the engines were paired for each nacelle except the inboards which had 3 engines each. They were all turned into Bully Beef tins.
The B-24 shipping crate in photo #1 is the BEVERLY transport, gear down and welded, troop accommodations in the tail boom.
I'm like a kid with a $100.00 bill in TOYS r US so much to see!!!!!
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