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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:51 pm 
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You think that farm tractor can drive to Burnet in a week?


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The tractor will not be gracing the airport at Burnet next week.......but the broom may show up at an upcoming show at which JC might be :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Still don't know how you can fly a broom with only one engine.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Still don't know how you can fly a broom with only one engine.


Its similar to this:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:34 pm 
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No, I think it is more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2h5gCX5z18

The commentary suggests it is only a model, but we know that was done only to cover up you know who's first solo flight. In the background, if you look closely, you can see an Arby 26 taking photos from high altitude. Even way back then, Big Brother was watching!! :-) JR


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:53 pm 
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Well, we didn't escape entirely free of problems. On the left is a hail stone near the real JR's office that had been on the ground for about an hour already when he picked it up. It busted out a lot of car windows in the company parking lot. The shot on the right is notable for two things.. the instant Texas Convertible on the left and if you look closely on the hood of JR's Tahoe, it has big dents and it is just so trashed. Luckily, he didn't lose any windows in the hail storm. Didn't need this setback for him. We are just so fortunate that all we got at the hangar was some water thru the leaky roof and nothing on the K. The other JR


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:02 pm 
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We want to thank everybody who has called or emailed to check on our status after the storms. The concern is very much appreciated. We are all ok here now. Also wanted to note that we have passed 47,000 views on this thread. Thanks for that also. Cheers, JR


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:32 pm 
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Glad to hear you folks survived the storms. We don't get too many tornadoes here, being surrounded by mountains. Hope everything will be OK.
If you want an exercise in frustration, try flying one of those flying lawn mowers-I had one years ago. Take offs and landings were great, but the in fight part was something else! Was like trying to balance a basketball on a broom stick.
This pic is of my former A-26A. Lost an engine on take off just as I rotated, and it re-kitted itself immediately in a corn field.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:02 pm 
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Randy, so you did a small recreation of that video of a full sized A26 losing an engine on take off?? Did it react about the same and cartwheel into the ground or just roll over and play dead? Guess it depends on how high you got. RE-KITTED... now that is a new word for me. I like that. Not that your airplane crashed.. it re-kitted itself.... sounds so much better. That was a nice model you had there. If only the K was that easy to get parts for or make them out of wood and plastic!!! :-) JR


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This is the engine we are thinking of having overhauled now if we can raise the money. It is an R2800-CB3. It has to be pulled to refurb the engine mount and do a sheet metal repair up behind the firewall and nacelle that was probably the result of one of the left gear collapses back in the day. The engine is being supported because we have taken the stress plate off the top of the wing over the fuel tank to get in there for checks. Since we have come this far, might as well as see if we can do it all at once. Donations are tax deductible to our 501c3 foundation. Would appreciate any help. Thanks, JR


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:30 pm 
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Did it react about the same and cartwheel into the ground or just roll over and play dead?
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It was about 6 ft. in the air when the left engine quit, and it was making a cloud of dust before I could process what had happened.
Probable cause: pilot error-I "tinkered" with the engines too long on the ground, and got the left one too lean. On the plus side, I have the video of two previous flights.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:35 pm 
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Videos of good flights... can you maybe send some to me via email or post here? I would like to see those if you don't mind. Thanks Randy... JR


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Post accident report. The pilot lost control when the left engine failed below Vmc. That would be you Randy!! I have talked to several of the Nimrods about their techniques of flying the full sized airplane. All have said the magic number is 125 Knots. They waited until about this speed to rotate when fully loaded at take off and always kept this speed as the minimum for the approach when empty for the landing in case of a go around. The Dash one manual says it takes 300 lbs of force on the rudder with full power on one engine and the other prop windmilling. Your prop wouldn't feather so the only hope you had was to reduce power on the good engine or chop it all together and put the nose down to maintain speed. See how easy that is to say? The problem is recognizing the problem in time to do all this. Great emphasis is placed in training for this which is why multiengine ratings are so much fun!! Even though the K has a bigger rudder and vortex generators on the right side of the vertical stabilizer which reduces Vmc quite a bit, it is still a handfull on one engine. If an engine fails before reaching Vmc on take off, the only option is to pull the power off and keep it on the ground or return to the ground so this is a critical situation you hope never happens but had better be prepared for in the event. A prudent pilot will calculate how much runway is needed for take off and determine at what point a safe take off speed will be reached and how much runway will be left if an engine quits before rotation to know if the airplane can be stopped before the end or how far it will go off the end and what barriers there might be. Under some loads and conditions, it might be better to wait for a change to a cooler temperature or reduce the load if possible for example. Of course, at NKP the airplanes were loaded to the max and went anyway. The only thing working in their favor was the ability to jettison the load if needed. That would have been a very hairy situation... kinda like me if I don't hit the shower and shave. Off to Never Never Land. Later... JR


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This is about how many hands you need when you lose an engine in the K. Actually, that is my granddog in the ad so had to figure out a way to show him off. Oh, and I guess I better admit that is my son-in-law walking the granddog. It is ok. I have finally gotten used to him even if he is from New York City. My daughter was afraid to tell me she was dating him for about 2 years because she knew my first reaction would probably be, "Newwww York City? Somebody get a rope!" I guess I am getting mellow in my old age. But just in case, you see this, Harris, I still got a new rope that ain't been stretched good yet! Don't give me a reason to violate my promise to make nice! JR in Texas PS Where did you get that awful wig and moustache? Ugh...


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..............I have finally gotten used to him even if he is from New York City.
Know what you mean, my daughter married a "anchor cranker", and I've gotten used to him. Truthfully, he's OK. When he was still in the Navy, we would get a call from him and I'd ask where he was calling from, and he'd say, "I'm calling from my cell phone on the carrier deck somewhere in the Sea of Japan." Took me awhile to get used to that, since all we had back in the day was a MARS relay station, or VERY expensive phone calls.

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