Yagen's other restorations.

12XU2A3X3 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:07 am

Weeks? (eyeroll) I mean, I guess, but I would offer, as has been stated in the past, a lot left to be desired. Reach exceeds grasp in this instance. Not to get off topic

JohnTerrell · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:11 am

Just reading a Philip Makanna article on Precision Aerospace, published in the January/February 2008 installment of Warbirds International, it mentions that a Kawasaki-built variant of the Daimler Benz DB601 (the Ha-40) had been found and was going to be used with Yagen's Ki-61. Through the article, it also mentions not only restoring just the one King Fisher at Precision, but hopefully producing as many as three airworthy examples (through a production-run of sorts), as well as getting into a few Corsair builds (though again, this information was stated in 2008).

cooper9411 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:47 pm

Ed Likes wrote:

Im going to add my 2 cents on this subject of Jerry Yagen's Restorations. The late Jack Taft of Jackson Michigan had which I saw a P-400 as well as some pieces of the Curtiss Hawk Biplane. When Jack died there was a sale of everyhing Jack owned. To the best of my knowledge Jerry Yagen bought both the P-400 as well as what there was of the Curtiss Hawk.
As some on this board have stated Yagen has P-39 under restoration somewhere perhaps Precision Aerospaace so the jigs are in place. It would make perfect sense to buy what Jack had in the P-400 and rebuild that aircraft as well. Thank goodness there are people in this land of ours who have a passion and deep pockets to bring these aircraft back to life. Jerry Yagen and Rod Lewis are the best examples out there as well as Paul Allen.
Before I close all of the little less known shops and folks that might have one Warbird there working on I have the utomost respect for as well. It is just that Yagen and Lewis and Allen are huge major players.

Could not have said it any better! :drink3:

goshikisen · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:29 pm

12XU2A3X3 wrote:

Weeks? (eyeroll) I mean, I guess, but I would offer, as has been stated in the past, a lot left to be desired. Reach exceeds grasp in this instance. Not to get off topic

I wonder what would happen if someone like Paul Allen or Jerry Yagen were to somehow acquire a Tempest V not unlike the one in Kermit Week's collection. Do you think they'd have the wherewithal to get a Napier Sabre in running order?

Just dreamin'

cooper9411 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:31 pm

They might rabbit, they might :drink3:

Chappie · **Joined:** Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am **Posts:** 987

goshikisen wrote:

I wonder what would happen if someone like Paul Allen or Jerry Yagen were to somehow acquire a Tempest V not unlike the one in Kermit Week's collection. Do you think they'd have the wherewithal to get a Napier Sabre in running order?

Just dreamin'

I believe so. Since 2007 I've made several trips a year to Pungo & Suffolk (not easy- it's a 325ish mile round trip) and I am still amazed at the size of the collection and that an overwhelming majority of the aircraft fly.

Chappie

Travisd80elcam · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:18 pm

I saw someone mentioned Jerry's N3N earlier in the post. I was at MAM yesterday and the N3N is proudly displayed on her floats in the Navy hanger. It looks great on the floats. I thought I liked it on its gear (witch they built a display stand for the main gear that is next to the N3N), but boy how i like it on its Floats. Sorry Guys I didn't have my camera with me. I go regularly I'LL have to remember my camera next time. And the Fighter Factory Hanger was crammed full of stuff getting maintained, Wild Cargo was down there as well as the Spit, The Avenger was opened up for some work as well and The Blue and Greyest SNJ as well. And as always Chuckie was looking sweet sitting out in the sun. Can't wait to see her in a hanger. And speaking of hangers there, The German Bring Back hanger is starting to take shape it seems. I saw the first rib of steel all laid out and bolted up, It looked as if they maybe standing it up in the next week or so after the Christmas. Again sorry for no pictures but next time I wont forget my camera.

Travis

12XU2A3X3 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:57 pm

I think a great path for FOF to take would be selling of rarer and more "obscure" types that haven't been flow and may well not be. This could finance more flying and upkeep which currently inhibits more restorations taking place. The Tempest, Mosquoto, Marauder, Havoc, Liberator could all go into collections that are more, comprehensive, active, well-healed -however you want to characterize it. Might be to everyone's benefit. I don't see it happening

gregv · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:18 pm

I could never figure out why the Japanese would have two different companies build two versions of the DB 601, with both Aichi (Atsuta AE1) and Kawasaki (Ha-40) involved. Would it have not made more sense to have just one version built? Can anyone shed some light on why this was done?

Great to see Yagen's collection growing!

greg v.

shrike · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:40 pm

gregv wrote:

I could never figure out why the Japanese would have two different companies build two versions of the DB 601, with both Aichi (Atsuta AE1) and Kawasaki (Ha-40) involved. Would it have not made more sense to have just one version built? Can anyone shed some light on why this was done?

Great to see Yagen's collection growing!

greg v.

Diversified production. Same reason Merlins were built by Packard and Rolls Royce, TBM vs TBF and all of the minor production variation of B-24's

gregv · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:13 pm

shrike wrote:

gregv wrote:

I could never figure out why the Japanese would have two different companies build two versions of the DB 601, with both Aichi (Atsuta AE1) and Kawasaki (Ha-40) involved. Would it have not made more sense to have just one version built? Can anyone shed some light on why this was done?

Great to see Yagen's collection growing!

greg v.

Diversified production. Same reason Merlins were built by Packard and Rolls Royce, TBM vs TBF and all of the minor production variation of B-24's

For some reason I was under the impression that both of these license-built DB-601's were quite different, i.e. in respect to parts interchangeability etc., although I've got nothing to back that up, but it would seem to make more sense that it was just diversified production as you indicate.

Anybody know of any sources of further information on this?

cheers

greg v.

shrike · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:19 pm

gregv wrote:

shrike wrote:

gregv wrote:

I could never figure out why the Japanese would have two different companies build two versions of the DB 601, with both Aichi (Atsuta AE1) and Kawasaki (Ha-40) involved. Would it have not made more sense to have just one version built? Can anyone shed some light on why this was done?

Great to see Yagen's collection growing!

greg v.

Diversified production. Same reason Merlins were built by Packard and Rolls Royce, TBM vs TBF and all of the minor production variation of B-24's

For some reason I was under the impression that both of these license-built DB-601's were quite different, i.e. in respect to parts interchangeability etc., although I've got nothing to back that up, but it would seem to make more sense that it was just diversified production as you indicate.

Anybody know of any sources of further information on this?

cheers

greg v.

Continuing - Packard and Rolls Royce built Merlins were interchangeable "as a unit", but had little or no parts commonality.
And different manufacturers, or even different factories will have different processes to get to the same end product, based on the institutional identity and experience.

oz rb fan · **Joined:** Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:33 am **Posts:** 474

they are quiet different,(they don't even mount the same way),the Kawasaki ha40 was made for the army and the at Atsuta AE1 was for the navy, at one stage before the restoration got under way they had an Atsuta sitting in the wreck of a ki61 nose..mounts were very different and i'm pretty sure that the accessories were also very different as well.
one of the many instances of the two arms of the Japanese military duplicating many things and wasting production facilities.

gregv · **Posted:** Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:37 pm

oz rb fan wrote:

they are quiet different,(they don't even mount the same way),the Kawasaki ha40 was made for the army and the at Atsuta AE1 was for the navy, at one stage before the restoration got under way they had an Atsuta sitting in the wreck of a ki61 nose..mounts were very different and i'm pretty sure that the accessories were also very different as well.
one of the many instances of the two arms of the Japanese military duplicating many things and wasting production facilities.

oz rb fan, thanks for the info, that's what I was wondering about. Glad they wasted all that effort in needless duplication, but it still boggles the mind that they'd do it like that.

cheers

greg v.

12XU2A3X3 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:20 am

anybody know about his A-20s? i remember him being quoted as stating he had several in restoration.

also, a P-47 seem conspicuously absent from his collection, what gives? does he have a project or a wreck somewhere?

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