NAS JAX 2011 show photos

wls3 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:15 am

Jacksonville NAS show 2011, Saturday, cold, cloudy and windy. Bearcats didn't fly.
2 different F-4s on hand. One flying down to the Cocoa Beach show.
First I'd seen this A-4 from Sanford FL.
P-3 in Strawberry 5 paint scheme.

Bill

me109g4 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:42 pm

Nice shots,, thanks. Got any more??

K5DH · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:18 pm

Great pics! :supz:

Curious. . . why is the Orion's #1 prop feathered?

kalamazookid · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:33 pm

Never seen pics of that 78th FG P-51 before. Who owns it? Thanks for sharing the pics.

Speedy · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:34 pm

OMG...that P-3 has the outboard on the left wing feathered!!!

(sorry...that was for Jack Cook's benefit.......)

Speedy · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:38 pm

k5dh wrote:

Great pics! :supz:

Curious. . . why is the Orion's #1 prop feathered?

Because we can. Because it's something that we rib the fighter guys about (or at least I would jab Hacker about). "Yeah, why don't YOU try shutting an engine down without declaring an emergency" :shock:

The # 1 engine doesn't have a generator on it, so you can shut it down to 'save fuel' while loitering on station without reducing the electrical capacity on the systems. The plane flies just fine with three turning. I've flown it with both outboards shut down before.

wls3 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:26 pm

Never seen pics of that 78th FG P-51 before. Who owns it?

NL20TF

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:40 am

Quote:

The plane flies just fine with three turning. I've flown it with both outboards shut down before.

Two shut down? Shoot, you're not even trying:

(World Congress of Flight, 1959)

Chunks · **Joined:** Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:02 am **Posts:** 361

Quote:

Never seen pics of that 78th FG P-51 before. Who owns it?

NL20TF

Freidken family

Chunks

Speedy · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:55 am

Chris Brame wrote:

Quote:

The plane flies just fine with three turning. I've flown it with both outboards shut down before.

Two shut down? Shoot, you're not even trying:

(World Congress of Flight, 1959)

According to the NATOPS manual (if I remember correctly), with three engines shut down and the remaining engine at maximum power, the aircraft will maintain an 820 foot-per-minute rate of descent. Obviously a lot of it depends on the operating weight at the time of the adventure. I certainly hope that Electra was empty during that picture...I wouldn't want to be the pilot with a tube full of pax.

kalamazookid · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:58 am

Thanks for the info. Didn't recognize it with the "Bum Steer" artwork on it.

Mudge · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:01 pm

The first thing that caught my eye on "Bum Steer" was the paint job and I thought...."NAAAH". Then I looked closely. At my age, the eyes are the second thing to go. :shock:

Mudge the afflicted :roll:

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:52 pm

Speedy wrote:

The # 1 engine doesn't have a generator on it, so you can shut it down to 'save fuel' while loitering on station without reducing the electrical capacity on the systems. The plane flies just fine with three turning. I've flown it with both outboards shut down before.

I remember seeing in a NATOPS manual the charting for "long duration loiter" or something to that effect which prescribed both outboards being shutdown. At first I thought it crazy, then I found out that the 53WRS not only did it with their C-130s, but that they used to do it with their WB-50's as a way of making sure they had a couple of working engines when they got out of the hurricane (or at least that's what I was told, don't know how much to believe that particular crewman...

).

Only thing more crazy is flying a B-52 on 7 engines.... :lol:

Mudge · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:54 pm

CAPFlyer wrote:

Speedy wrote:

The # 1 engine doesn't have a generator on it, so you can shut it down to 'save fuel' while loitering on station without reducing the electrical capacity on the systems. The plane flies just fine with three turning. I've flown it with both outboards shut down before.

I remember seeing in a NATOPS manual the charting for "long duration loiter" or something to that effect which prescribed both outboards being shutdown. At first I thought it crazy, then I found out that the 53WRS not only did it with their C-130s, but that they used to do it with their WB-50's as a way of making sure they had a couple of working engines when they got out of the hurricane (or at least that's what I was told, don't know how much to believe that particular crewman...

).

Only thing more crazy is flying a B-52 on 7 engines.... :lol:

"Ah yes...the dreaded 7 engine approach." :lol:

Mudge the humorist

airknocker · **Posted:** Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:01 pm

An interesting example of controllability on one engine is the 1960 Eastern crash in Boston following multiple bird strikes. An old friend, since passed on, was an Eastern captain who related that after extensive flight testing the only configuration with one engine was to have the bank angle held prior to power reduction to be able to hold Vmc and avoid rolling into the dead engines.
Here was the accident report (pre-NTSB)
http://ntl1.specialcollection.net/scrip ... 100460.pdf

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