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A 125 seat Spruce Bud Worm sprayer!! like it! :lol:

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You two must be scarebus aficionados. Where should we start? How about the bonded vertical that won't stay bonded? :axe:

Careful. :wink:

The NTSB concluded that the material had failed because it had been stressed beyond its design limit.

Nothing wrong with vertical bonded tails.

Ask Boeing.., they are using it on the 787 are they not?


Has a 787 vertical separated from an aircraft? No? Ok, I will ask Boeing. And your graphic doesn't show attachment points, it's an external view of materials. Nice try.
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the330thbg wrote:
maradamx3 wrote:
You two must be scarebus aficionados. Where should we start? How about the bonded vertical that won't stay bonded? :axe:

Careful. :wink:

The NTSB concluded that the material had failed because it had been stressed beyond its design limit.

Nothing wrong with vertical bonded tails.

Ask Boeing.., they are using it on the 787 are they not?



Maybe the stress limit should have been designed higher???
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Lord knows, I'm no aerospace engineer and I don't want to look like an anti-Airbus zealot (but read a European forum and you'll see a lot of baseless anti-Boeing stuff) but it seems to me that (over) using the rudder should not cause the fin to fall off the aircraft. Any aircraft.

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Over application of the rudder on that AMERICAN AIRLINES A-300 out of JFK about 10 years ago was the cause of the CFRP attach lugs for the vertical fin to fail and tear out causing the aircaft to crash with loss of all aboard in Belle Harbor N.Y.

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Back to the topic at hand... Capt. Tadeusz Wrona put that big sucker down with the touch of a master, so gentle that many passengers were unaware of the drama. (Using full power to taxi might've been a clue, though :lol:)

The make of the aircraft is unimportant in the grand scheme of things; what matters is the crew responded magnificently to a potentially deadly issue, and laid that massive airliner down so gently that it will surely be only a matter of weeks, maybe a couple months before it's airworthy again, and not one single individual suffered so much as a scuffed shoe. THAT is outstanding airmanship.

Na Zdrowie Tadeusz Wrona!

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Will be interesting to find out exactly how much damage was caused and how much it costs to fix.
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maradamx3 wrote:
the330thbg wrote:
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You two must be scarebus aficionados. Where should we start? How about the bonded vertical that won't stay bonded? :axe:

Careful. :wink:

The NTSB concluded that the material had failed because it had been stressed beyond its design limit.

Nothing wrong with vertical bonded tails.

Ask Boeing.., they are using it on the 787 are they not?


Has a 787 vertical separated from an aircraft? No? Ok, I will ask Boeing. And your graphic doesn't show attachment points, it's an external view of materials. Nice try.
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Yah.., go ASK Boeing.

They are obviously believers in 'bonded materials' :drink3:

The point of the graphic I included was to show you that BOEING is all over composite materials.., why.., because they KICK tushy!!!!!

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Will be interesting to find out exactly how much damage was caused and how much it costs to fix.


On a plus note, they found a cure for tire wear!

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All it really needed was a coat of olive drab and a tent to run into at the end of the run :wink:

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TROJANII wrote:
the330thbg wrote:
maradamx3 wrote:
You two must be scarebus aficionados. Where should we start? How about the bonded vertical that won't stay bonded? :axe:

Careful. :wink:

The NTSB concluded that the material had failed because it had been stressed beyond its design limit.

Nothing wrong with vertical bonded tails.

Ask Boeing.., they are using it on the 787 are they not?



Maybe the stress limit should have been designed higher???


Yah think?

Wow.., see the thought process that goes into these types of questions is why people are running from the WIX site.

Amazing.,. totally amazing :twisted:

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All it really needed was a coat of olive drab and a tent to run into at the end of the run :wink:


That would have been cool!!!!

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