Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:52 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:42 pm 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:34 pm
Posts: 2923
Apologies if this has been posted before...
Image
Quote:
Hillsboro, Oregon, Sept. 16 (CNA) It will take at least another year for a decomissioned Lockheed F-104G Starfighter from Taiwan sent to the United States Classic Aircraft Aviation Museum in Oregon in 2006 to take to the skies again.

Unlike most museums that display aircraft models, the nonprofit museum is dedicated to repairing classic military aircraft and emphasizes "dynamic preservation," which includes restoration.

The museum has successfully restored a MiG-17 fighter jet, and when the F-104 Starfighter that Taiwan acquired in 1987 was transported to the U.S. amid great fanfare in 2006, the hope was it would be ready to take off in 2008.

But despite investing more than 1,500 hours to fix the plane, the museum will need another 12-18 months before it can fly again, said museum director Doug Donkel, and it will also have to get permission from the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) before resuming flights.

Repairs on the plane are around 90-95 percent completed, said museum founder Roger Kelsay. The aircraft's hydraulic system, electric power system, and landing gear were all overhauled.

Still, the plane's restoration has been hindered due to the lack of certain critical components. The museum has not been able to acquire afterburners from Taiwan's Air Force and is having difficulty finding experienced maintenance people.

"Our (hope is) that maybe President Ma can support us on this project too to help us get the remaining components that we need to get this thing flying," Kelsay said, referring to Taiwan's president, Ma Ying-jeou.

"It is hard to find knowledgeable people that know a lot about the F-104," added Donkel. "We have a gentleman from Taiwan that's come over and helped us several times, and we're hoping to get him back again."

A retired sergeant major from Taiwan's Air Force has been assisting with the museum's F-104G Starfighter repairs over the past few years, often spending two to six months in Oregon at a time.

Rebuilding planes does not come cheaply. The museum has had to procure components for aircrafts from around the world and between the US$15,000 that a generator can cost and high freight expenses, the bills add up.

So how much has been spent on the F-104G project? "More than I want to tell," Kelsay answered with a laugh.

Although restoring planes is an expensive hobby, Kelsay, a retired U.S. Air Force pilot with a special affinity for Starfighters, says preserving aircraft is his passion.

"It's a passion, so passion doesn't always make economic sense," he said.

The F-104G Starfighter in Oregon was designed by the U.S. firm Lockheed and produced by Canadair. It was sold to Denmark and then obtained by Taiwan in 1987 in exchange for an F-5A fighter.

After being decommissioned by Taiwan's Air Force, it was handed over to Feng Chia University in Taichung in 1997. The university then turned it over to the Oregon museum in 2006.

Found it here:
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_ ... 1109170015


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 3:09 pm
Posts: 38
Very interesting and best of luck with the project!

The aircraft in question (USAF serial 63-12699, RDanAF serial R-699) was handed over to the Danish AF under a military aid programme on 23.11.1964 and remained US property. After its last flight in Denmark on 30.04.1986 it was passed on by the USAF to Taiwan along with several others. So no sale to Denmark, and no exchange with an F-5 ;)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:24 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am
Posts: 987
Wow, I'd had never seen this news before. This terrific. Another airworthy "Missile With A Man In It"!

Chappie

_________________
Brrring. Dispersal? TWO SECTIONS SCRAMBLE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:30 pm 
Sounds like they have their work cut out for them with this F-104. Hope they are able to get it back in the air.


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:49 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:24 pm
Posts: 286
Location: Teaneck NJ
thanks for posting, any more pictures? Love the 104. isnt there a guy in maine that has/had stuff? saw it on barn stormers a while back.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 10:12 pm
Posts: 13
Here are some photos in 2006.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenweng ... 770398861/


Now
Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:24 pm
Posts: 286
Location: Teaneck NJ
thanks for more photos. that bird looks complex!! hats off to the restoration effort.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:19 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:10 am
Posts: 1536
Location: Shreveport, Louisiana
Don't they also have an ex-Luftwaffe TF-104?

_________________
Rob Mears
'Surviving Corsairs' Historian
robcmears@yahoo.com
http://www.robmears.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:59 pm 
Offline
S/N Geek
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:31 pm
Posts: 3790
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Here is a question... The "Classic Aircraft Aviation Museum" is in Hillsboro. Another organization "Premier Jets" is also located in Hillsboro. I have reason to suspect the two organizations are one and the same. Am I correct with this suspicion?

Mike

_________________
Mike R. Henniger
Aviation Enthusiast & Photographer
http://www.AerialVisuals.ca
http://www.facebook.com/AerialVisuals

Do you want to find locations of displayed, stored or active aircraft? Then start with the The Locator.
Do you want to find or contribute to the documented history of an aircraft? If so then start with the Airframes Database.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:40 am
Posts: 987
Interesting to see the MiG-17 in the background. Anyone know if it's airworthy?


Chappie

_________________
Brrring. Dispersal? TWO SECTIONS SCRAMBLE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:44 pm
Posts: 79
Wow! What an ambitious project! A great looking bird, right there! I don't think I've ever seen such good views of an F-104 before. My father in law flew a few 104's back in the day.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:11 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:10 am
Posts: 1536
Location: Shreveport, Louisiana
The MiG-17 is in fact airworthy and was operrated by Premier Jets Inc., thus tieing in with Mike Henniger's question above. I'm thinking this organization is a new iteration of 'Premier Jets'.

_________________
Rob Mears
'Surviving Corsairs' Historian
robcmears@yahoo.com
http://www.robmears.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:07 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 20, 2007 10:12 pm
Posts: 13
F-104 4412(62-12342) was taken by me in a school .
Still in good condition!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BfzGa1QTck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:28 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:10 am
Posts: 1536
Location: Shreveport, Louisiana
I respect any man who has the guts and skill to step into that machine.

I was wondering about F-104 stall characteristics and found the video below. I wonder if what I'm seeing in this video is an example of a pure stall or if there was a contributing mechanical failure. I imagine this is not a plane you should intend to stall under any circumstances. For those with tender feelings, the pilot successfully ejects before the plane hits the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJtTYzUIwBQ&feature=related

_________________
Rob Mears
'Surviving Corsairs' Historian
robcmears@yahoo.com
http://www.robmears.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 36 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group