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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:46 am 
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So what are the plans for the restoration - military stock or civilian air yacht, or a combination of the two?


Last idea that was talked about was changing the paint back to the old search and rescue from its original service days but keeping the interior more of a flying Winnebago. Since that is still a ways off I would not doubt things might change but for my vote I would love to see the original colors. Here are a few pictures of the current state:

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As you can see there is a lot of work to go but when it is done it will be more sound than she has been in a long time. To aid in the work (and to fit in the hanger) the wings and top section of the tail have been removed and stored. I will drop by and update this thread as things progress :)


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Great news! Another Cat in the air is always a good thing!

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If I recall correctly, that PBY was headed down the taxiway ahead of me at Catalina Island about 1980-81 or so. His main gear was tracking along the edges of an already poor condition taxiway and was busting up the asphalt. You would of thought I was in a taildragger the way I was S-turning down the taxiway in a 210 trying to avoid the chunks of asphalt he was kicking up.

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Than you for those update pictures! looks like it's in very good hands. I love seeing PBY's restored :)

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Hi Tom

They were 400 hp Lycomings. From what I was told at the time, the main use for them was to improving handling in the water.


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The conversion was called the Bird Innovator.

Innovator 1967 = Four-engine conversion of Consolidated PBY-5A with two P&W R-1830-94M1 inboard and two Lycoming IGSO-480 turbosupercharged outboard; gross wt: 34,000# range: 2500-3500. Conversion originally made to give the PBY, owned by Bird Corp, maker of medical and aircraft environmental systems, better engine-out performance on overwater flights.


If they were indeed Lycoming IGSO-480 engines, they were not 400 hp.

The only 400 hp Lycoming horizontally-opposed engines that I am aware of are the IO-720 8-cylinders. All Lycoming GSO-480 (geared, supercharged, opposed) and IGSO-480 (injected, geared, supercharged, opposed) engines were rated at 340 hp for take-off (5 min.) and 320 hp METO. The larger IGSO-540 engines were rated at 380 hp for take-off and 360 hp continuous. The upside-down* Lycoming TIO-541 engines used on the Beech Duke were also 380 (and they turned up a screaming 2,900 rpm and had huge turbos, the whine from which almost drowned out the rest of the engine noise and almost made the Duke sound like a jet.)

*The TIO-541 had the starter on top and the pushrods below the cylinders, just the opposite of every other flat Lycoming.

The only "flat" Lycoming more powerful than the IO-720 (again, that I am aware of) was the TIGO-541 series like the ones used on the Piper P-Navajo. The TIGO-541 was also the only geared Lycoming that used a spur gear in a hump (like the TCM GTSIO-520 series) instead of a planetary arrangement. On the PA-31P, the -E1A version was rated at 425 hp but another version of the engine, the -D1A was rated up to 450 hp. As it turns out, I was wrong earlier and there was a 400 hp version of the TIGO-541 as well, the -C1A. (I just had to look up the TCDS!)

340 hp Lycoming GSO-480-B2D6 engines were used on another 4-engine flying boat of that same era (as the Bird Innovator, that is) - actually, two: the McKinnon G-21C and G-21D conversions of the legendary Grumman Goose.

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So how's Ron doing??? The last time I saw him was when he brought his Birddog out to
Workman for a BBQ and to sign off Jeff's SNJ which was about 5-6 years ago at least :shock:

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So how's Ron doing??? The last time I saw him was when he brought his Birddog out to
Workman for a BBQ and to sign off Jeff's SNJ which was about 5-6 years ago at least


He is doing well, seems to be happy to be working on the PBY when he has time and at least giving me direction when he is not around. I don't believe that he has the Birddog anymore, or maybe it is just that he is keeping it elsewhere.


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When I first met him he had the Ryan PT and was working on the Birddog in his shop
between customer a/c. When I last talked to him he was looking for a standard rudder
and hoping to trade off the super cat unit.

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Dr. Bird, inventor of the "Bird" medical respirator (a result of his interest in medicine and being a pilot in WWII), is alive and well and living in Idaho.
He has a private strip off of Lake Pend Oreille and has recently opend an air museum.

http://www.birdaviationmuseum.com/index.html

He has a big event every year, this year Bob Hoover and Clay Lacy were in attendance.

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And this would be the Forrest Bird who bought a number of surplus P-38s around 1946, right?

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I had the good fortune to travel in this unique airplane in 1978. I was just 18 then, and I knew nothing. My brother-in-law, Ian James, was the pilot; he was flying the plane and training a pilot for the new owner. The new owner--first name Lane I recall--was an importer of Persian rugs who lived in Lake Tahoe. I was told Lane had recently bought the aircraft with the idea of basing a TV show on it somehow. (As far as I know, that never happened.) The original "hospital" paint job was still on the airplane then, complete with a red cross. I took some Polaroid pictures which are lost in a box somewhere...

Ian was something of a seaplane specialist and flew Grumman "Geese" for Air Catalina. This explains an earlier post I read here. That must have been him tearing up the taxiway at Catalina with this PBYs big wheels.

My 1978 adventure: Ian and his student, with my sister and the student's girlfriend aboard, were flying the "Bird" PBY conversion back from servicing--New Orleans I recall--to it's new home at Truckee airport in Lake Tahoe. I was picked up along the way at Jeffco airport, in Boulder, Colorado where I lived. We flew over the Rockies and got into some weather. We were really getting knocked around (I got airsick) so we stopped overnight in Alamosa, Colorado. Next day we flew smoothly from there to Long Beach airport in California, with a lunch stop in Las Vegas.

I loved sitting in one of the observation bubbles and watching the scenery. We flew over the Grand Canyon and Hoover dam, and we crossed the painted desert. I had almost a 360-degree view, including straight down!

I sat in the left seat for awhile with Ian. He gave me some non-verbal education about the navigation system as we flew VOR. It was too loud in there to talk. I watched the autopilot make a smooth turn on our course as Ian turned the knob. We wore oxygen masks in the cockpit, because we were at maybe 12,000 feet. I think the oxygen system came courtesy of Dr. Bird.

Ian said the plane flew "like a big turd." He was Australian and had a perfect way of describing things.

The interior still had the stainless steel accomodations, which made the whole thing very heavy, as was explained to me. I could see where patients would have assumed their horizontal positions. There was a galley, a lavatory, and even a small TV. I liked the 727-style stairs that folded out the back.

The outboard Lycomings were loud, adding to the noise of the inboard radials. Ian explained to me his opinion that the noisy Lycomings added little and weren't worth the trouble.

After a few days in Long Beach at my sisters home, we flew to Tahoe to return the plane to Lane and stay over for a bit. Ian decided not to use the lake at Tahoe, because he honestly thought the plane was too heavy for water at that altitude. (I remember VERY long rolls for the takeoffs in Colorado.) In retrospect I think this restriction must have put a cramp in the new owner's plans there on beautiful Lake Tahoe.

This is a special memory for me. It is fun to stumble across a discussion on the web about this plane. I feel lucky to have known it in a way few others do.

Now that I think about it, I realize that do have one photo I took on that trip on display here in my home: My sister is sitting in one of the PBYs observation bubbles while we are flying, with the Rocky Mountains below her. I lost her to breast cancer in 2001. I was her little brother.


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Dr. Bird has passed away.
Blue Skies and Thank you for your service Dr. Bird.
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Dr. Forrest Morton Bird’s research in breathing apparatus for World War II pilots led to the development of the modern respirator, saving countless lives.

The 94-year-old inventor and lifelong aviator died Sunday of natural causes at his home in Sagle, Idaho.

Bird created the first low-cost, mass-produced medical respirators, including the “Babybird” in 1970 that replaced the iron lung and dramatically reduced infant mortality. Bird’s respirators and anesthesia ventilators were used during the first open-heart surgery and the first liver transplant.

“He was a great man and humanitarian,” his wife, Pamela Riddle Bird, said Monday. “He saved millions of lives, one at a time.”

Bird had a brilliant mind, stacking up degrees in medicine, aviation, physics and biotechnology. “He was like living with the Internet,” his wife said.

He also was an unpretentious man who wore New Balance running shoes with a tux at black-tie events. He even wore the comfortable shoes to the White House, where his work was honored by two presidents.

In his later years, Bird devoted thousands of hours to guest appearances in schools. From first-graders to graduate students, he encouraged young people to develop their sense of innovation.

“That was a priority for him,” Pamela Bird said. “He told them that inventors change the world – and that it could be them. They had the power, the creativity, the ingenuity and talent to make a difference in the world.”

His passion for aviation and innovation allowed Bird to meet such 20th-century luminaries as Orville Wright, the pioneer of flight, and industrialist and family friend Henry Ford, who was said to have been impressed with the 12-year-old Bird’s construction of homemade tractors from Model T Ford parts. And he once flew with Howard Hughes, recalling the reclusive tycoon and aerospace engineer as “a magnificent pilot.”

Bird was born June 9, 1921, to Morton and Jane Bird in Stoughton, Massachusetts. He graduated from high school at age 14 and soon became a pilot at the encouragement of his father, a World War I pilot. He flew helicopters for 64 years and was a helicopter instructor pilot for much of that time.

Bird served with the U.S. Army Air Corps in World War II and assisted in the Korean and Vietnam wars, retiring as a colonel. He was Gen. George S. Patton’s pilot for a while but wanted a change to continue with his own missions.

With the new jet turbine allowing for flight at higher altitudes, Bird realized pilots would need new breathing gear. He delved into research into respirators and anti-gravity devices and invented the anti-g pressure suit regulator, which helped pilots fly to 40,000 feet. The invention gave the U.S. and its allies an advantage in dogfights during World War II.

In 1946, Bird invented the first Positive Pressure Inhalation Device, followed by the 1950 first prototype of the Bird Respirator with advanced positive pressure. The newest models of aircraft were able to ascend to new altitudes, reducing the risk of altitude sickness in pilots.

In 1955 he released the Bird Mark 7 Respirator, a small green box that became familiar to hospital patients. He traveled the globe to teach young doctors how to use the device. Further innovations resulted in the medical respirator/ventilator, developed at his company, Bird Oxygen Breathing Equipment Inc., later renamed Bird Corp., in Palm Springs, California.

The Babybird respirator, introduced in 1970, reduced infant mortality due to respiratory problems from 70 percent to less than 10 percent.

In 1995, Bird was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame for his medical respirator.

After selling Bird Corp. to 3M, Bird moved to a ranch with a private airstrip and hangars next to Lake Pend Oreille. He started a manufacturing company, Percussionaire Corp., which continues to operate in Sagle, producing medical pulmonary devices. Bird also collected and restored old planes, cars and motorcycles.

In July 2007, he and his wife opened the Bird Aviation Museum and Invention Center, showcasing the work of inventors and displaying aircraft, including his father’s 1938 Piper Cub. In typical, understated fashion, visitors have to get to the second floor to see Bird’s own inventions. That same year, the CBS news magazine “60 Minutes” profiled Bird’s life and legacy.

Through the museum, Bird met and mentored North Idaho students. Blake Alfson met Bird when he started volunteering at the museum as a teenager. Bird influenced his career path, said Alfson, 22, who recently graduated from Rice University with a mechanical engineering degree, with a focus on aeronautics.

“He would go into the inner workings of how he developed his respirator, and the mechanics of how planes fly,” Alfson said. “Seeing him work was an inspiration. He was in his 80s and 90s, still putting in 11-hour days in his workshop or his hangar.”

Lynn Lawrence, of Sandpoint, credits Bird for helping her son, Connor, make the connection between school and workforce. Connor Lawrence, 21, a computer science major at Montana Tech, also started volunteering at the museum as a teen.

Both Bird and his wife were so “accessible and authentic,” Lynn Lawrence said. “Connor was able to spend time with Forrest … just hours and hours and hours of talking with that brain.”

In Sandpoint, the Forrest M. Bird Charter School is named after him.

Bird was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by President George W. Bush in December 2008. President Barack Obama awarded him the National Medal of Technology and Innovation in October 2009.

Last week, Pamela Bird let her husband’s friends know he was close to death. People called from all over the world to say goodbye. Friends who were pilots buzzed the house and airstrip.

“He was right here at the ranch. He could see the lake and the trees. When he heard the thrust of an engine, he would sit up and open his eyes. He got the best air show,” she said.

He died peacefully, with his wife holding his hand. “He was ready for his final flight,” she said.

A service is planned for 11 a.m. Saturday at the Sagle museum.

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The last time I saw and said hi to the doctor was, appropriately, at the Spokane airport.
I was dropping off my nephew for his flight back to the UK and there was Dr. Bird and his wife (and dog) getting ready for an adventure somewhere.
I introduced myself and mentioned we met at the opening of his museum. A very nice guy.

A life very well lived.
RIP, Doctor.

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Since the passing of Dr. Bird, and tragically, his younger wife a short time later in the crash of her 182, the Bird Museum at their estate has closed.
A smaller version of it has opened at the Coeur d'Alene airport.
I haven't been to that one However I understand it is well worth visiting.

It's next to Burt Rutan's hangar, so you might see him.

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