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[Jack Cook]

and Warbird2 said blah blah blah.................
Franz Stilger once told me that all German officer's were required to to members of the Nazi party.
Franz's wife Hiya then told him that he's lucky Germany lost the war because Hilter would killed all
non-Nazi Nazis soon afterwards.
Ol' Franklin does need to improve his spelling ie Oskar Schindler. Off with his freak'in head !!

I do not think anybody would just say as a blanket statement that Nazis were idiots. A bunch of murdering, world dominating, exterminating, Jew hating, Gypsy hating, black hating, everybody but Aryan hating lunatics, maybe. But probably not idiots. That would be too much.

That about sums it up right there!!

[warbird2]

Sorry Jack. The spelling error was mine. But so was the quote if that redeems me at all.

[Franklin]

Hey warbird2 didn't your C.O. order you to chill out on WIX a while back? Lucky for you you have a keyboard so as not to have to talk with that boot in your mouth. I wonder if you can have a laptop while on latrine duty ... Funnin ya! ... Happy Memorial weekend, try to enjoy it without worrying so much about whether I'm a Nazi lover or not. BTW my uncle was killed in the Battle of the Bulge, January 1945 by those very same Nazi's you seem to think I like.

Ordy My spelling is purfeck. Yours on the other hand .... lolol

[Jack Cook]

Here's your uncle Mr. Franklin. I think it's special that he was returned home
and now rests at Arlingtion National Cemetary. You should go pay your respects sometime!!!

[Franklin]

That I will. He was one tough looking dude wasn't he? BTW Jack, you trying to blow my cover? haha and Rich what did you start?

Also Jack since this thread has morphed into a Memorial thing, I salute you and your family for their Military service over the years, even if the Navy sent you to places no one should ever be sent to

Now can I get back to watching three days of war movies on several different channels at the same time? BTW you guys see the Indy 500? wow! what a FUBAR at the end

[Dudley Henriques]

Here another view of mine over people crying about mods at work...

Warbird - what does it mean? Can you tell?

Usually it means a retired from service but restored and operated flying aircraft OR static museum item.
It can include related topics as restoration projects of said above or museum associated items such as airshow reviews, seeking information on a previous pilot or plane and maybe even artworks.

It doesnt include as i see it - a modern day aerobatic team, talks of a backpack mortar shell, what race Obama is or whatever and what is funny for the day.

A warbird is a warbird. I come here to read and share warbird related information.

If people cant talk or share information maybe they are at the wrong forum eh?

If people dont like a mod stepping up and removing stuff that isnt warbird related... as has been pointed out before .....they are free to go.
There are millions of other forums on the net for non warbird stuff. Just go to google...

I still dont understand why this forum has off topic stuff still here???
Am i the only confused warbird forum reader who doesnt see the connection of funny stuff and a warbird?

Phil

I understand what you are trying to say here and I usually don't comment on these "opinion threads", but with respect for everyone else's opinion I'll offer my own.

I notice you included "jet aerobatic teams" on your list of "non-warbird related topics". I would opine that you might have gone a bridge too far with the inclusion of the jet teams on this list. I'll explain why.

In answer to your question "what is a warbird?" I agree. A warbird considered alone is really nothing more or less than a beautiful machine sitting in place somewhere whether it be in a museum, on a ramp in the sun and rain, in a hangar somewhere and in flyable condition, or on a stick in front of some old rusting building or facility.

The point I'm attempting to make here is that unless you want to discuss your favorite photograph of some warbird most of the INTERESTING discussion directed toward warbirds will be about PEOPLE; people who fly them, maintain them, and care for them. For those warbirds that fly, their missions and the venues in which they operate are also of interest. As I view the situation anyway, if the topic concerns the aircraft, it virtually HAS to include at least some information about what the aircraft is doing, and if the aircraft is doing something, PEOPLE have to be involved with that "doing" whether it be current events or historical remembrance. So it's really PEOPLE we're talking about here on WIX, unless as I said, you simply wish to comment on the aircraft itself as it sits somewhere doing nothing.

Naturally there are limits to all this interest, and on a forum like WIX, it's up to the moderators to decide where and when these limits get out of hand and need some "adjustment".
This is a double edged sword on a forum like this one. The members have a responsibility to make every attempt to keep the discussion on topic, and the moderators have a responsibility to the forum to make every effort to be fair in their assessment of what constitutes "on topic discussion".

As I see it, you can reduce all your posting issues down to a single phrase to express where warbird posting goes astray, and that phrase is POLITICAL SLANT. You succeed in stopping anything and everything revealing political slant and you will succeed in solving 99% of all your "off topic, off color, confrontational discussion.

About the Blue Angels; the team flies WARBIRDS, their mission is a WARBIRD mission, the people who belong to the team, EVERY ONE OF THEM, are highly specialized WARBIRD PEOPLE. Topic concerning the Blue Angels generally and the people who make up the team is in my opinion warbird related and as such I would hope anyway, considered by the moderators here to be very much on topic for WIX. Conversely, discussion offered about the Blue Angels stressing one way or another a political position of favor or disfavor concerning their mission I would expect the moderators to consider "off topic". The thread concerning the change of command in the Blue Angels offered with no political slant I would consider as being a warbird related topic.

The above as I said, is simply offered here respectfully and with consideration of the opinions of others.
Dudley Henriques

[JDK]

Generally, and on the heading of this forum*, the concept of 'warbirds' is ex-military aircraft preserved or flown for commemoration, and usually excluding modern military machines.

Of course there's no formal, agreed definition of a warbird, but it is worth noting, I suggest, that both Warbird Digest and Warbirds Worldwide did not and do not cover current military operations. All the forms of warbird directories out there exclude modern military.

Modern military display teams are another whole area of interest - and personally, I'd rather this forum stuck to the agreed, defined topic in its head and we avoid all the off-topic stuff.

Regards,

*It says: "This is the place where the majority of the warbird (aircraft that have survived military service) discussions will take place."

[Dudley Henriques]

Generally, and on the heading of this forum*, the concept of 'warbirds' is ex-military aircraft preserved or flown for commemoration, and usually excluding modern military machines.

Of course there's no formal, agreed definition of a warbird, but it is worth noting, I suggest, that both Warbird Digest and Warbirds Worldwide did not and do not cover current military operations. All the forms of warbird directories out there exclude modern military.

Modern military display teams are another whole area of interest - and personally, I'd rather this forum stuck to the agreed, defined topic in its head and we avoid all the off-topic stuff.

Regards,

*It says: "This is the place where the majority of the warbird (aircraft that have survived military service) discussions will take place."

Well, as I said, I respect others opinions on these issues. I will say that if what you are saying is an accurate picture of what constitutes on topic discussion and what doesn't, I for one would find the situation here confusing enough for myself anyway, that it would, and I'm sure will, affect my decision on what to post here or even whether or not to post here on the forum at any given time. The overall effect on me personally is that I would approach a posting decision with extreme caution and could possibly opt to pass on what I might have had to offer.
Anyway, just one person's thoughts on these matters. Nothing earth shattering for sure
DH

[WIXMOD-Alpha]

As I said, I moved the Blue Angels thread back because I know several of the warbird display pilots on here would be interested in the thread. That's part of our audience, and while one could go to three or four other forums and have the same discussion, I think we want to keep the warbird pilots we still have left on this message board, and ought to make that a consideration. At the same time, there IS a place for it here - in Military Matters - and EVERYONE still has the opportunity to see it if they use the "new posts" thread search at the top right hand corner of the page just under the time stamp.
Scott has some of us new moderators under aliases to protect our identity (some of you may remember how JDK got bashed mercilessly), but I'm a warbird pilot and a frequent poster, and I find some of this really amusing. If anyone has any problems with the way we're working to try and improve the board experience, find a nice way to tell us - preferably via PM first so we can try and work things out quietly, and understand that the whole deal may be more complex than you think, and that we're trying to keep the best interests of the board in mind. I've been a WIXer for better than 10 years, and I hope that we can keep it a friendly place, and perhaps bring back some of the old members that are sorely missed by their choice to take their internet experience elsewhere.

[Dudley Henriques]

As I said, I moved the Blue Angels thread back because I know several of the warbird display pilots on here would be interested in the thread. That's part of our audience, and while one could go to three or four other forums and have the same discussion, I think we want to keep the warbird pilots we still have left on this message board, and ought to make that a consideration. At the same time, there IS a place for it here - in Military Matters - and EVERYONE still has the opportunity to see it if they use the "new posts" thread search at the top right hand corner of the page just under the time stamp.
Scott has some of us new moderators under aliases to protect our identity (some of you may remember how JDK got bashed mercilessly), but I'm a warbird pilot and a frequent poster, and I find some of this really amusing. If anyone has any problems with the way we're working to try and improve the board experience, find a nice way to tell us - preferably via PM first so we can try and work things out quietly, and understand that the whole deal may be more complex than you think, and that we're trying to keep the best interests of the board in mind. I've been a WIXer for better than 10 years, and I hope that we can keep it a friendly place, and perhaps bring back some of the old members that are sorely missed by their choice to take their internet experience elsewhere.

I find this a totally fair and intelligent approach to these issues and would classify these actions as being consistant with good moderation on any moderated forum.
DH

[WIXMOD-Baker]

Further to WIXMOD-Alpha's remarks, there is sometimes a subtle blurring of distinctions. These are considered when taking action. Please bear in mind that discussions go on behind the scenes and admin activities aren't undertaken without consideration and thought. The cohesiveness of the board depends on many factors. Maintaining it isn't quite as black and white as some may think.

As WIXMOD-Alpha said, if you have a problem, please PM one of the admins or mods first. We've been reading and posting at WIX for years, and we've seen what works and what doesn't.

[WIXMOD-Alpha]

Guys, I'm locking the thread. If you have a problem, PM a moderator - preferably one that is listed as online at the time. If we can help, we will. In the meantime, let's all try harder to get along. If not, I can tell you that there's a mod discussion about some suspensions or timeouts. None of us want to go there, but if stuff keeps happening, it will be done.