So here's a few questions: flying and static logic

kennsmithf2g · **Posted:** Thu May 12, 2011 10:48 pm

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Without dragging out some books, did it race with the current configuration of clipped wings and Engine/cowling/prop setup as it now sits?
Everything I have seen (that I remember) didn't show it in its current configuration.

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From a local collection. I don't know the year.

51fixer · **Posted:** Thu May 12, 2011 11:06 pm

kennsmithf2g wrote:

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Without dragging out some books, did it race with the current configuration of clipped wings and Engine/cowling/prop setup as it now sits?
Everything I have seen (that I remember) didn't show it in its current configuration.

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Rich Palmer

From a local collection. I don't know the year.

Great photo. Wings as they are now are clipped greater then this I believe.
The engine, cowling, prop seem the same as the current set up.
Thanks

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri May 13, 2011 2:52 am

Franklin wrote:

bdk wrote:

POF Raiden would be nice, but it is such a rare and obscure aircraft that only a few thousand people at best would even know what it is. I just don't think it would make any economical sense to restore that aircraft to airworthy.

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Would the POF Val be in a similar situation as your explanation of the Raiden?

Just my opinion, but the difference between the Val and the J2M is apples 'n oranges. The Val had little of what would represent an intact aircraft to the represent the type. The Raiden, on the other hand is the last of its type in as intact and complete a form possible. As much as I'd love to see a J2M fly I don't think it's worth the risk of losing it.

The Val would occupy a different flight and technology envelope and I can't imagine a situation where any damage sustained in an incident would return you to less than you started with given prudent care. Just my .02.

Franklin · **Joined:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:53 pm **Posts:** 183

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Just my opinion, but the difference between the Val and the J2M is apples 'n oranges. The Val had little of what would represent an intact aircraft to the represent the type. The Raiden, on the other hand is the last of its type in as intact and complete a form possible. As much as I'd love to see a J2M fly I don't think it's worth the risk of losing it.

The Val would occupy a different flight and technology envelope and I can't imagine a situation where any damage sustained in an incident would return you to less than you started with given prudent care. Just my .02.

That makes sense to me as well, I would then imagine that the Val could be catigorized as a replica as opposed to a restoration. But that argument would open up another can of worms on ... guess what!!! what defines a replica vs restoration. Better not go there ... lol :wink:

BTW just how much is original on the Raiden? Is the engine original?

51fixer · **Posted:** Fri May 13, 2011 11:41 am

Franklin wrote:

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Just my opinion, but the difference between the Val and the J2M is apples 'n oranges. The Val had little of what would represent an intact aircraft to the represent the type. The Raiden, on the other hand is the last of its type in as intact and complete a form possible. As much as I'd love to see a J2M fly I don't think it's worth the risk of losing it.

The Val would occupy a different flight and technology envelope and I can't imagine a situation where any damage sustained in an incident would return you to less than you started with given prudent care. Just my .02.

That makes sense to me as well, I would then imagine that the Val could be catigorized as a replica as opposed to a restoration. But that argument would open up another can of worms on ... guess what!!! what defines a replica vs restoration. Better not go there ... lol :wink:

BTW just how much is original on the Raiden? Is the engine original?

POF has the replica Tora Val and an incomplete original Val originally rebuilt in the Great White North.
The replica is flyable and used in movies.
The original flew briefly in a hybrid condition in Canada and is under rebuild. I haven't seen it in years so I don't know what its current condition or how original they are planning to make it.
It had a B-25 FWF and many parts from a T-6 in the tail.
15 yrs ago the thought was to make it look fairly stock, safe and flyable building up new parts where needed and using an American Powerplant.

The Raiden is 100% original. It is missing the cannons and 1 landing gear was damaged many years ago but welded IIRC.

Franklin · **Joined:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:53 pm **Posts:** 183

I'm assuming that the majority of the Val will not be original, but is the plan to make it look as original as possible? The original Val is a very unique design with unique lines of which give it much character, as well as the Kate, Zero, etc. ... I find this restoration to be about as unique and complex as anything that has been done in the past few years. I look forward to seeing the result someday. And it's planned to be a flyer correct? .. oops! sorry Rich I just ask questions again you just tried to answer .. :roll:

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

I'm guessing about 50% of the Val is/will be original. WHat wasn't damaged by corrosion was damaged by the shoddy restoration methods used after it was first recovered and flown (prior to being obtained by POF).

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