A Forum for those interest in vintage NON-military aircraft
Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:16 pm
C170BDan wrote:This is exciting! Often wondered where that one went! Look forward to reading up on the progress!
I have also heard rumors that someone in the Pacific Northwest was builting up the molds to build up wooden Vegas. With plans to build up several. Still havent been able to confirm it though.
Dan,
That project never really got off the ground (pardon the pun) due to lack of funding/backing. The gentleman that was the driving force behind it has moved on to other projects.
Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:47 pm
BTBFlyboy wrote:C170BDan wrote:
I have also heard rumors that someone in the Pacific Northwest was builting up the molds to build up wooden Vegas. With plans to build up several. Still havent been able to confirm it though.
Dan,
That project never really got off the ground (pardon the pun) due to lack of funding/backing. The gentleman that was the driving force behind it has moved on to other projects.
Thanks Brent. Will put that rumor to rest then. On to the rumors that seem to be getting off the ground!
Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:13 pm
Here is a very much younger Caroline helping to button it up June 1981.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/johnoder/DL1/sweetcarolinesm.jpgJohn Oder
On edit:
I neglected to mention Brent's dad Robert ALSO loaned me an original 31401-Q 5B/5C Wing Assembly drawing in 1972. I laboriously redrew this "bed sheet" in ink on vellum on a home made drawing board.
A little later, I donated my ink original to NASM - but today they are clueless as to what may have become of it. Fortunately, I kept a print for myself.
JO
Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:47 am
Woodenlockheed wrote:Here is a very much younger Caroline helping to button it up June 1981.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/johnoder/DL1/sweetcarolinesm.jpgJohn Oder
On edit:
I neglected to mention Brent's dad Robert ALSO loaned me an original 31401-Q 5B/5C Wing Assembly drawing in 1972. I laboriously redrew this "bed sheet" in ink on vellum on a home made drawing board.
A little later, I donated my ink original to NASM - but today they are clueless as to what may have become of it. Fortunately, I kept a print for myself.
JO
John
I bet that was a boat load of work. Don't ya love the way museums loose things. I gave the PASM a complete gosport system and to this day they don't have one on display. Oh well we all loose things.
Sending you an e-mail.
Rick
Rick
Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:01 pm
Vortilon wrote:I bet that was a boat load of work. Don't ya love the way museums loose things. I gave the PASM a complete gosport system and to this day they don't have one on display. Oh well we all loose things.
If a museum doesn't have the donation on display doesn't mean it doesn't value it or doesn't know it's whereabouts... most times is because of lack of space, priority or relevance for the current exhibit objectives (which are a perrogative of the curator in charge).
best regards,
Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:01 pm
Well now that the Vega project is no longer a rumor, I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy reading about the restoration process. I can't think of any more rumors to start right now anyway.
Oh look! Pilgrims!
Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:33 pm
astixjr wrote:Well now that the Vega project is no longer a rumor, I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy reading about the restoration process. I can't think of any more rumors to start right now anyway.
Albert,
How about the rumor where you get John & Terry to bring our old Fairchild 71 up for the AAA/APM Invitational Fly-in to join with Yellowstone Aviation's FC-2 and hopefully the Port Townsend Aero Musuem's 71 for a group picture !!
Brent Taylor
www.AntiqueAirfield.com
Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:49 pm
[quote="rreis
If a museum doesn't have the donation on display doesn't mean it doesn't value it or doesn't know it's whereabouts... most times is because of lack of space, priority or relevance for the current exhibit objectives (which are a perrogative of the curator in charge).
best regards,[/quote]
I suppose but you have to look at it from the donors perspective, that of hoping it will simply be put in a glass case or even pinned on the wall somewhere really how long does that take? I had a factory new spinner for a Fournier RF4D that I offered to the Museum of flight in Seattle to put on Mira Slovak's bird hanging from the ceiling spinner-less. All I asked in return was for them to install it (an hours work tops) They said nope we can't. I gave it to a home builder who proudly put it on his bird.
Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:37 am
Vortilon wrote:[quote="rreis
If a museum doesn't have the donation on display doesn't mean it doesn't value it or doesn't know it's whereabouts... most times is because of lack of space, priority or relevance for the current exhibit objectives (which are a perrogative of the curator in charge).
best regards,
I suppose but you have to look at it from the donors perspective, that of hoping it will simply be put in a glass case or even pinned on the wall somewhere really how long does that take? I had a factory new spinner for a Fournier RF4D that I offered to the Museum of flight in Seattle to put on Mira Slovak's bird hanging from the ceiling spinner-less. All I asked in return was for them to install it (an hours work tops) They said nope we can't. I gave it to a home builder who proudly put it on his bird.[/quote]
I think Museums must be upstraight with what they intend to do with the artefacts and sometimes even refuse them. It's funny but most people (even I can fall in that category) don't "give" their stuff to the museums. They kind of "loan" them for life keeping a link to the artefact and having lot's of expectations to what the Museum will do with them. Sometimes museums even sell or exchange this stuff and off course many donnors will not accept that.
As for "simply be put in a glass case or even pinned on the wall somewhere really how long does that take" sometimes it can take forever. Like I said, there can be lots of questions about space availabitly, money and/or connection to the exibhits in the museum. For a potential donnor is better to get information apriori about the whats and everything else so nobody gets sour in the end... Mikesh makes an excellent comment on this subject in his book...
Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:48 am
Rick
If you need to fabricate new bulkheads (Lockheed called them diaphgrams) I can provide some suggestions based on the ones we made for the Altair.
Tom Haueter
Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:29 pm
Soooooooooooo who's restoring a Pilgrim..........................
astixjr wrote:Well now that the Vega project is no longer a rumor, I guess I'll just sit back and enjoy reading about the restoration process. I can't think of any more rumors to start right now anyway.
Oh look! Pilgrims!

Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:53 pm
GilT wrote:Soooooooooooo who's restoring a Pilgrim..........................
That should be Pilgrim"s"
The answer can be found on our website.
Brent Taylor
www.AntiqueAirfield.com
Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:14 pm
Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:16 pm
Altair wrote:Rick
If you need to fabricate new bulkheads (Lockheed called them diaphgrams) I can provide some suggestions based on the ones we made for the Altair.
Tom Haueter
Tom I'd love to come see that some day. I think the bulkheads will make it, some need some repairs but otherwise OK.
Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:18 am
Hope the firewall (Lockheed said Fireshield) with its unique "footsie buckets" is still around. If not, drawings are here. I had to separate out the DL1 stuff from Tom's DL2 stuff. (Wasn't an "A" until it got retract gear).
I see the support frame has holes at engine mount anchors built into fuselage, but no bolts in those holes. These are classy 195-T4 aluminum castings LAC liked so many of.
John Oder
On edit this Friday AM 20 August - as I write, Christopher Strong with Kate Hepburn (1933) is playing on TCM - great wooden Vega footage with the early 1340 ticking over.
JO
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