oscardeuce wrote:
michaelharadon wrote:
, I pray we never have to use it again. But, I also hope we never lose the backbone to use it if the need arises.
I agree.
The current POTUS has already taken it off the table.
I'd gladly trade enemy lives for allied lives any day. As horrible as it is, to paraphrase a great American: you don't win by dying for your country, you win my making the other man die for his country.
Sure. Of course. And while we're at it, please tell me how the damage caused by nuclear weapons would be confined to just the "enemy". Look at how allied soldiers who have been around depleted uranium rounds and the vehicles destroyed by them suffer from radiation sicknesses, as do their newborn and family members, as do the civilians we are allegedly there to defend and protect.
When we say that we'd use nuclear weapons, how can we not be saying that we'd be using them also on our own citizenry, when we take into account how radiation travels indiscriminately on wind and water currents, food supply, etc?
You want to "win" a war? Then I suggest that you don't get into one to begin with. I am inclined to think that America lost the Second War just as much as Germany, Italy and Japan did when I consider the 65 years of ill advised and misguided follies across the globe that stemmed from the (false) sense of bravado that came from having "won" the Second War.[/quote]
You do know DEPLETED Uranium emits less radiation then some granite countertops in people's homes correct? That's what they mean by depleted. Heck the radium in most of our aircraft emits more.
Whoever told you about that is outright wrong.
Now.... the Uranium cloud from the impact can cause a chemical pneumonitis, but not "radiation sickness".
Please give sources for this claim as my research ( holding a BS in chemistry and an MD degree with specialization boarding in Emergency Medicine, and specialized training in radiation disasters) has told me otherwise.
You too sound sorry the US and allies won the war. Just like the POTUS basically said "sorry" for marching the Japanese gov't across the Mighty Mo to sign the surrender papers with just about every plane we could get overhead. Are you too uncomfortable with the word "victory"?[/quote]
Odeuce-How fortunate we are to have someone with all your academic credentials and training ("a BS in chemistry and an MD degree with specialization boarding in Emergency Medicine, and specialized training in radiation disasters") here to enlighten us with all your knowledge. In fact your schooling is so vast that I'm more than a little surprised (following?) that you seem to be threatened/angry/made insecure/whatever by the words of someone who from time to time thinks just a teensy weensy bit outside of the box...
Here's a source that you ask for:
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/DU/You'll find several thousand others-take your pick-by Googling "depleted uranium rounds, radiation" that make my original point that these rounds are as deadly to those who shoot them as they are to those who are struck by them.
"Now.... the Uranium cloud from the impact can cause a chemical pneumonitis, but not "radiation sickness"." BFD...WHO CARES? The point I was making, Oscardeuce, is that there are long term consequences from using this type of ordinance that either result in a terrible death for those who have been around them or for their kin, or perhaps just as heinous, result in a life that is torture to live. Look it up.
Is the real solution to not using nukes again getting into a pi$$ing match (with skunks sometimes
) here at WIX? Nowhere I look do I see a call to divest ourselves of our addiction to petroleum. Wouldn't doing so also divest ourselves many of our never ending wars?
Not on this post, not on Huffington Post, not with the douche, oh, sorry, tea baggers, not with Republicans and not with Democrats have I read ANYTHING saying that the real way out of most of our delemas today might very well be changing the provenance of at least most of our energy supplies and letting the oil companies and the Arab states be damned. NOBODY is talking about developing the alternate sources of energy that are available to us. If we started doing that how long would it be before we forgot where Astan, Iraq, Iran, etc., etc., etc., were on the map?
"Uncomfortable with the word 'victory'?" Hardly. Adverse to Pyrrhic victories? Always.[/quote]
I add my credentials only to show I have some knowledge of the topic (as did you). I'm glad you make such light of 12 years of learning after I finished high school.
I do not believe anything that come from Rep Kucinich, he's basically ruined northern Ohio.
Like I said before there are many emitters out there worse than DU. What about all that copper and lead in our bullets? I'm sure there is a problem there too!?
Some may be sitting in your house. By some of those articles, radium containing instruments are WMD's. How many of us have them? I've tested mine and yup, they radiate. Many instruments in the O2-A emit also. I spent 3 days cataloging and marking the instruments and parts of instruments at MAPS. Heck the stuff laying around there's enough to make the NRC worried. We have alpha emitters in smoke detectors. I sure hope you don't spend much time above 20,000ft ASL, as that also greatly increases the amount of radiation you are exposed to.
The only viable "alternate energy" IMHO is fusion. The only exhaust would be He. That is light enough to leave the atmosphere. We are no where near a viable fusion reactor, but until then we are stuck with fission,oil, coal and gas.
Until the world is perfect, war will be a fact we cannot duck. We need to be ready to do all we can to be sure we protect our citizens. If I were POTUS, nothing would be off the table. At the very least I would want the otherside wondering and worried about the response. Not everything would hit the level of pushing the button, but the deterant would be there. It seemed to work well during the cold war (at least we didn't go MAD on each other), but now we face asymmetric threats that need to be dealt with just as forcfully.
I'm not glad Truman dropped those bombs, but I feel he made the right choice. He traded enemy lives for our lives. A tough decision, but when you take on that job, you know it will be full of them. I'm sure the Germans or the Japanese would have used them had they the chance. It so this would probably be written in another language. I am glad we won, we rebuilt those nations to the point they challenge us today. Has any culture rewarded their enemies with that gift? How did the victors treat the defeated in SEA? I did not see much rebuilding with the Hmong.......[/quote]
Thanks, Oscardeuce. I appreciate these words, especially the last paragraph as I have friends in Germany and love visiting there, and also love my Camry and Nikons. The 'graph above it rings true for me, too, as I've seen in my personal life, just walking down the street, say, how just putting out the vibe that I'm ready to protect me and mine has kept the waters smooth.
To your alt energy list I'd like to add solar, at least for out here in the middle of the Sonoran Desert. Knowing I was paying less for electricity would make all this pouring sunshine and hot enough to melt hell heat a little more bearable.
Oh, yeah, just by the by, every time my daughter or I, or those that I love and care for have gotten sick, I've been grateful far beyond words for people who went to school for those 12 years beyond high school. Thanks.
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