P-51's during the firebombing of Dresden

[Iclo]

Iclo, there surely is a language problem here...

Ok, My appologies if I misunderstand some thing...

I assume when you say "there is no real debate" one of the things you want is a "real debate". And I assumed you mentioned a "reaol debate" about the Allied bombing campaign in the European Theater of War.

Ok, I understand. No, I did want to say that I want a debate: simply, that on the European side there is no polemic or debate on the bombing in Europe. Simply a slight difference between the feeling and remembrance from European population and US population.

Taking my words from context and they start to not mean a thing. All points of view deserve respect and dis-respect, is a personall choice you do. That's another thing to the matter, especially in the internet. I could say "It's good to destroy german cities because the war ends sooner. And I prefer to have 10000 germans dead than 1 of our guys down". or "It is good to bomb those cities, think of the money we will make rebuilding them". or "It's terrible to bomb those cities, they are human beings and civilians, it is not humane". Or "It' stupid to bomb those cities, we have had 4 years of war and saw that bombing civilian populations is tantamount to nothing for hoping they will revolt and stop the war, look at the moral of the Londoners during their ordeal", or "It's good to bomb their cities because we need some sort of social appeasement in the light of the bombings that germans have done to us" and I could go on and on.

About who thinks all german were nazis you can find them anywhere. Especially in the internet. If you think those people are high IQ rated is another matter.

Yes, I agree with you. It's simply strange and difficult to believe there is so much rancor for some people. It's one lesson learn from the bad management of the past of WWI: to create the peace, it's necessary to forgive (and not forgotten) and no made the choice of penalised the next generation, or you are sure to create the good condition to a new war.

So, to put it in summary, I do understand were you're coming from and do agree with you, you're opinion can change depending on the side of the rifle you are or you're parents were.

I didn't acuse you, Iclo, of anything. "you" was used in a general tone. In your own words, the personal opinion about events is affected by the personal experience: was I bombed or not? Do I think it was fair? Do I think they needed to do it to win the war?

I re-read your words and sincerly I find no other interpretation that saying "the people who have other opinion that simply hatred against the Germans, are German-sympatisants".

But I suppose that's not what you wanted to say ?

In the end, as Yossarian would put it, "they" are all trying to kill you and so all of "they" are the enemy.

I didn't say such thing, you need to take a stroll and to re-read my words again maybe. What I did say is everyone that points me a gun and is willing to shoot is my enemy. Yossarian is a ficticious character of Joseph Hellers novel, "Catch 22". His enemies are the germans that point 88 Flack guns at his B25 and the USAAF, that forces him to go on the missions were the Germans point these guns at him. It's a great book, I suggest it to anyone.

I don't speak about you but It's simply very bad to have people who could think that, and are not able to understand that a population is made from huge count of individuals, who don't have the same oppinion on all the subject.
I think that lot peoples don't know that during WWII, a part of the German population risks their live to save Jaws children, and some other one tried to kill Hitler...

Iclo, if you go to my first post on this thread you will notice I mention Operation Jerico

I don't have a "real and constructed" opinion about the Amiens's prison.

I'm simply shocked to see so much people (and yes also on this forum) who express no doubt or regret about bombing civilians.
In Belgium or France when we saw a B-17 during an airshow we have a feeling about the brave airmen who did the ultimate sacrifice, but have also a remembrance about the "huge human waste" on the two side.
And no that no mean that we think that Germany was not totally guilty to create the war.
I's simply a message of peace.