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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:47 am 
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This may actually be a good thing in my opinion! Set the goal and have commercial enterprise develop the solution. It worked for Burt Rutan to win the Ansari X-Prize and for Lindberg to cross the Atlantic after all.

I guess we'll see how bad congress can screw this up and turn it into a feeding trough for special interests...

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President Obama will end NASA’s return mission to the moon and turn to private companies to launch astronauts into space when he unveils his budget request to Congress next week, an administration official said Thursday.

The shift would “put NASA on a more sustainable and ambitious path to the future,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. But the changes have angered some members of Congress, particularly from Texas, the location of the Johnson Space Center, and Florida, the location of the Kennedy Space Center.

“My biggest fear is that this amounts to a slow death of our nation’s human space flight program,” Representative Bill Posey, Republican of Florida, said in a statement.

Mr. Obama’s request, which will be announced on Monday, would add $6 billion over five years to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s budget compared with projections last year. With the increase, NASA would receive $100 billion over the 2011 through 2015 fiscal years.

The new money would largely go to commercial companies that would provide transportation to and from the International Space Station. Until now, NASA has designed and operated its own spacecraft, like the space shuttles.

The commercial rockets would displace the Ares I, the rocket that NASA has been developing for the past four years to replace the shuttles, which are scheduled to be retired this year. Companies expected to seek the new space taxi business include United Launch Alliance, a partnership between Boeing and Lockheed Martin that launches rockets for the United States Air Force, and Space Exploration Technologies, a start-up company led by Elon Musk, who founded PayPal.

Speaking at a news conference in Israel on Wednesday, Gen. Charles F. Bolden Jr., the NASA administrator, gave hints of the new direction. “What NASA will focus on is facilitating the success of — I like to use the term ‘entrepreneurial interests,’ ” General Bolden said.

Skeptics wonder whether the commercial approach would be significantly faster or cheaper than completing the Ares I and the Orion capsule that would carry the astronauts, and how astronaut safety would be maintained. NASA has spent about $9 billion on Ares I and Orion.

“We have already spent valuable time and billions of dollars developing this program,” Representative Michael McCaul, Republican of Texas, said in an e-mail statement. “It makes no sense to throw away a plan backed by 50 years of NASA experience and institutional knowledge in favor of start-up operations, which may encounter delays and unknown obstacles.”

Mr. Obama’s proposal would further dismantle what remains of the human spaceflight initiative started by the Bush administration in 2004. Last year, $3.5 billion in spending was cut from President George W. Bush’s NASA budget projection for 2011 through 2013, money that would have been used to develop the lander that was to return astronauts to the moon by 2020.

The proposed budget increase would also be much less than the $3-billion-a-year increase that a blue-ribbon committee appointed by the Obama administration said was needed for NASA to successfully pursue a human spaceflight program beyond low-Earth orbit.

As widely expected, Mr. Obama’s request will seek to extend the life of the space station five years, to 2020. It also proposes investments to improve the facilities at the Kennedy Space Center.

The retirement of the space shuttles will cost at least 4,600 of the 15,000 jobs at the Kennedy Space Center. The administration official said the commercial launching initiative could create up to 1,700 jobs in Florida, but that figure is based on projections of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, a trade group.

Sally K. Ride, a former astronaut who served on the blue-ribbon panel, said she was encouraged by the budget increase for NASA in light of the planned freeze on domestic spending over all.

“They plan to be sending people beyond low-Earth orbit, and they have a good formulation,” Dr. Ride said. “I think the way to evaluate this plan when it’s rolled out is to ask whether the administration has given NASA the funds for what it’s asked to do.”

“It appears to me the answer is yes,” Dr. Ride said, based on briefings she had received on the plans.

She said the administration took options the panel presented and “came up with an innovative approach for NASA.”


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:53 am 
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I see Richard Branson in our future!!!

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Same old story. One party wants to privatize something and turn it over to commercial entrepreneurs; the other party wants big government to run it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:43 pm 
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Seems unusual that a Democrat would be for privatization?????


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:12 pm 
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And Republicans (Sens. Posey and McCaul quoted above) against privatization, and for big government! That was the irony intended in my post. Funny how those ideological stereotypes break down sometimes.

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This will be the end of the US manned space program if it goes through. This is a terrible mistake...

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obama's plan has it's merits, but it's a double edged sword. does a private enterprise work under the the checks & balances of the u.s. govt?? who does private enterprise answer to?? i see the faa is all ready sticking there red tape in. reminds me of an old tv series with andy griffith making a home made rocket in his garage!! rutan is the only 1 who has real credentials if this plans is activated.

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Who does private enterprise answer to? The same federal agencies.., or even a new 'Space' one.., that the current private flying enterprise answers to.

Turning over the space program to privatization will be fantastic.., why the double edge sword? No more government graft.., no more pork belly BS spending..., I think if there is money to be made in space exploration.,. the private sector will explode..,i.e. space tourism.., mines on the moon.., etc. Satellite repair companies.., LOL.., that will be a good one.., ZIPCAR hourly space rentals!!!

average out the number of shuttle loses vs. the number of private airline losses per flight.

Privatization is the way to go and money makes the world go around!!!

I would rather the government keep the spending on infrastructure and leave the space exploration to the people that know how to run a company!!!!

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I'm with 330.

Like he says, if there are tangible benefits to manned space travel, private enterprise will compete for them. If there are not, it shouldn't be done at all.

The only reason for govt to undertake a venture like this is if there are collective benefits to society that, for some reason, private enterprise cannot capture in the form of profits. There's an argument that those exist for unmanned scientific exploration; not so much for manned.

The government can still participate as a customer. That's how governments fostered the early growth of aviation. Not (mostly) by trying to be the innovator, but by providing part of the market demand (military; air mail).

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Yikes! I find myself agreeing with August... What next, will the Chicago Cubs win the pennant?


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BTW - Any votes for completely unregulated private enterprise?

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JDK wrote:
BTW - Any votes for completely unregulated private enterprise?

Yes...

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bdk wrote:
Yikes! I find myself agreeing with August...


Amazing isn't it! Even though I think that Adrian Rogers quote has the intellectual content of a Miley Cyrus song, the neoclassical economists are right about some basic things.

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Um ... no. :) But, all those Chicago economists did deserve to win their Nobels. :idea:

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JDK wrote:
BTW - Any votes for completely unregulated private enterprise?


In the strict sense, there's no such thing. Hypothetically you'd have to eliminate government and the legal system, there'd be no such thing as currency, and the system would fall apart before you could say, "Houston, we have a problem."

But if you mean special regulation governing space flight, I might be willing to try "completely unregulated" in the sense of no ex ante regulation but only ex post liability. Hard core law and economics theories, following Coase, posit that under the right conditions, tort law can replace regulation by forcing firms to internalize the social costs of what they do. So instead of making safety laws designed to prevent companies from dropping a rocket on someone's house, you just leave them alone and let the lawyers go after them if and when they drop the rocket. The firm will figure the risks, how much it would have to pay in judgments, how much money it would save by not incorporating further safety features, and drop the optimal number of rockets on people's houses to maximize overall welfare. If that optimal number of destroyed houses turns out to be greater than zero, the firm's calculations could cause a scandal, like what allegedly happened when such a calculation allegedly was made in the Ford Explorer Firestone Tire episode, but the cost of scandal too can be taken into account.

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