Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:32 am
Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:58 am
TonyM wrote:Another decent book treating Pearl Harbor attack is the Osprey Publication
PEARL HARBOR
By Carl Smith
TonyM
Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:31 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:44 pm
the330thbg wrote:I thought I remember reading that did break the Japanese code. That is how the US figured out the Japanese were going to attack Midway. They transmitted a false message about the water treatment plant breaking at Midway.., and they were able to pick out the message from the Japanese as well.
Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:53 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:13 pm
Bill Greenwood wrote:330 you are party right. The Japanese had more than one code. If the movie ( Midway ) is accurate which I guess that it is, the army code was broken in part, remember the officer in charge saying they could only read bits and pieces. The U S did not break the naval code.
And don't confuse the two attacks, the Battle od Midway was 7 months after Pearl, Harbor, June 4-7, 1942.
As for anyone intercepting and deciphering a message from the Japanese fleet, I have never read that, and I really doubt the fleet would break radio silence while at sea on a mission that depended so much on secrecy.
Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:27 pm
Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:32 pm
Bill Greenwood wrote:I was also thinking that I know quite a bit about the attacks and the war, have read the books, seen the movies, met some of those involved, flown in the planes: But I really don't know much about what led up to the war, what started the attack. Despite being a native of the U S, educated here through college, I have only a vague idea that Japan accused the U S of cutting off their access to oil. I don't know much more, don't know if that is true,or to what extent, or if so why we did that,or what the alternatives were? This, that is Pearl Harbor and WW II, including the Atomic Bomb was the major event of the 20 th century and don't really know the background in depth.
Next, I wonder why and how Japan ever decided to attack the U S. Can they have really believed that we were not going to retaliate? And despite their initial military might and successes, could they really have believed that the U S was ever going to settle for some partial peace, or that Japan could conquer a much larger nation, even invade the U S?
Admiral Yamamoto had no illusions, he had visited California and was aware of what U S industry could produce.
He was opposed to the start of the war and said, " I can run wild for 6 months to a year, after that there is no guarantee." After the attack Dec. 7, when he found out the diplomatic warning had not been given in advance, he said " I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant."
Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:12 pm
airnutz wrote:After the attack Dec. 7, when he found out the diplomatic warning had not been given in advance, he said " I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant." ...Tora, Tora, Tora. His quote from which it was possibly inspired begins, "A military
man can scarcely pride himself on having smitten a sleeping enemy...."
Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:54 pm
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:56 am
michaelharadon wrote:Admiral Morrison=Jim's father.