Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Mon May 05, 2025 1:58 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: 1932 again
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:07 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:06 am
Posts: 1059
Location: Virginia
http://www.eaa.org/apps/galleries/gallery.aspx?ID=266 , photo #17, thanks to Mike S.




-

_________________
http://www.biplanerides1.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:42 pm
Posts: 348
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
Thanks for posting those pics! Those are the first I've seen of the project in its original condition. I'm really amazed by how much was still there, including the cockpit instrumentation.

Steve

_________________
Steve
www.eaglesmereairmuseum.org
www.net2nite.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:47 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:46 pm
Posts: 1523
Location: Brenham, Texas
Different strokes for sure! You have an amazing and quite interesting logbook, Andrew. I found the technical shots imformative. I had no clue how the driveling functioned on a Pitcairn.
Were there any other manufacturers worth noting who built 'Giros?
Thanks for the eaa link too.

_________________
"I love the smell of 100LL in the morning."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:04 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:46 pm
Posts: 1523
Location: Brenham, Texas
Me again, Bald Eagle. Are any of the other restored autogiros airworthy, even if they aren't flown? How many examples exist?
How many 'giro pilots are there besides yourself?

_________________
"I love the smell of 100LL in the morning."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:34 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:06 am
Posts: 1059
Location: Virginia
Cierva started it all, and Avro in England built them under license. In the US Pitcairn and Kellett were the primary mfg's, although a few others were built.

Cover of this month's "Vintage Airplane":
Image
and nice article inside.

I guess a dozen or two autogiros exist, none others flying, but one in NJ being restored to fly, so right now I'm alone in the club (lots of modern gyrocopter pilots around of course). Hoping to check out a Dayton based back-up pilot in case I get hit by a bus, he's working on getting his gyroplane rating...




-

_________________
http://www.biplanerides1.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:12 am 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 11, 2004 5:42 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: The Goldfields, Victoria, Australia
Canso42 wrote:
Me again, Bald Eagle. Are any of the other restored autogiros airworthy, even if they aren't flown? How many examples exist?


Following Andrew's remarks - I've been and am working on a couple of early rotary wing books. We've just published one on Autogiros which should act as a pretty comprehensive round out on the concept, and also on W.W.II Allied Rotorcraft to go with a previously published on on German Rotorcraft.

There are a couple of Pitcairns that were donated to the EAA Museum as airworthy, but don't fly, while Kermit Week's Avro Rota was restored to taxining condition with the Shuttleworth Collection. After Rolf van Bar in Sweeden stopped operating C-30s, I think in the 1950s or 60s, I think that was about it for those pre- '45 generation giros.

The Spanish built a replica Cierva C-30 which they flew for a period, but it's grounded now.

I'd like to see more, and another Pitcairn is under restoration as we write, but there are some marginal control regimes in flight and some nasty characteristics too, limiting enthusiasm for them otherwise.

There's about a dozen Avro Rotas / C-30s in preservation, a handful of miscellaneous American types such as the Pitcairns, lots of the German U-Boat 'Kite', and a handful of other types from Britain, France etc.

Book details:
Autogiro, Rotary Wings Before the Helicopter, Arthur W. J. G. Ord-Hume
http://mmpbooks.biz/mmp/books.php?book_id=109

Rotorcraft of The III Reich, Ryszard Witkowski
http://mmpbooks.biz/mmp/books.php?book_id=56

Allied Rotorcraft of the WW2 period, Ryszard Witkowski
http://mmpbooks.biz/mmp/books.php?book_id=110

HTH!

_________________
James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
Emilio Largo, Thunderball.

www.VintageAeroWriter.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:42 pm
Posts: 348
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
Where does one get that rating? (Inquiring minds want to know.... :wink: )

_________________
Steve
www.eaglesmereairmuseum.org
www.net2nite.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:10 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:10 pm
Posts: 531
Location: Portersville, PA
http://www.pra.org/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:31 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:46 pm
Posts: 1523
Location: Brenham, Texas
Hoo Rah! That photo is too cool. I love the shiny rotor blade effect. Whose photo Andrew?

_________________
"I love the smell of 100LL in the morning."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:41 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:06 am
Posts: 1059
Location: Virginia
Should've noted that, photo by H.G. Frautschy of EAA.




-

_________________
http://www.biplanerides1.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:42 pm
Posts: 348
Location: Philadelphia, Pa
My copy of Vintage Aviation arrived yesterday. Enjoyed both 'Gyro articles!! It was particularly interesting to see some of the details of the PA-18 project fleshed out!

Steve

_________________
Steve
www.eaglesmereairmuseum.org
www.net2nite.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 1932 again
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:22 pm
Posts: 248
Location: South Boston VA
Here is another “goodie” from the Waco company archives/files.
Waco Company President Clayton Brukner kept and responded to this original letter , beautifully signed by Harold F. Pitcairn, after Pitcairn sent him the latest 28 page brochure/catalogue from The Autogiro Company of America. The profusely illustrated brochure details the history and evolution of the Autogiro up to that time, including the aircraft of Cierva, Kellett, Buhl,& Wier, among others. Also shown is the photo of Harold Pitcairn taking off, in a PCA-2, from the White House lawn after being presented with the 1931 Collier Trophy. One of the more intriguing entries in this contemporary history of the development of the Autogiro, is the mention that “during 1925-27 Mr. Pitcairn developed a flying model of a jet-actuated helicopter with hinged rotor blades, which showed remarkable stability.” A lot more R & D was done during WWII which developed numerous military autogiro and helicopter aircraft. Prior to WWII, Firestone Tire & Rubber (G. & A. Aircraft), and Kellet Aircraft Corp. held production licenses. As of 1944, United Aircraft Corp. (Sikorsky Aircraft Division) was manufacturing under Autogiro Corp of America license for the duration of the war, at the request of the USAAF.,
Image
Image
Image

_________________
hundreds of images of aero art, memorabilia, photos and artifacts at;
www.memaerobilia.com


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group