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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:58 am 
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Ok, so maybe posting at 2:20 AM isn't such a good idea. (Way more chances for foul ups) But I wanted to throw up a few pics here on WIX about some local flying just East of Hartford.
Simsbury Airport is like any little grass strip back in the 50's. Very cool, as it was my first time being to this fly-in I didn't know what to expect. As usual I brought along a menagerie of things to represent the local museum.

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Theres my dad hanging up the corsair in the back. I ended up hitting it with my head like 5 times that day.
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My old man snapped a quick pic of me during setup. Yeah thats the expression of a little amount of sleep and a hasty setup.
(Notice the awesome blue tarp that we had to borrow from one of our neighbors down the row since we had somehow misplaced the tent cover. :roll: )
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And on to the planes...
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Hardland relaxing in some expensive shade. :wink:
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3 Classics in one!
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Sitting back behind the booth I had some time to take a couple of pics of some of my mini Corsairs!
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Either way we made some money for the air museum but are now drastically down to limited merchandise. Im going to try to head a fund to obtain more quality/variety merchandise for the museum, buts thats down the road. Ill be happy to tell a little bit more about the flyin' later.

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Cool pics!

It looks like the Widgeon still used the Ranger engine, which I haven't seen too often on the warbird circuit. Most of the Widgeons around here are turboprops.

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Nice pices! Looks like a fun event. You model of the Corsair on a stick...needs more bird poop (can I say that on the web!?) :wink:
I've been meaning to ask, what markings will she be getting when she gets that far in her restoration?

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Nice pices! Looks like a fun event. You model of the Corsair on a stick...needs more bird poop (can I say that on the web!?) :wink:
I've been meaning to ask, what markings will she be getting when she gets that far in her restoration?


I think its too early to say what the scheme will be, but I have been thinking about it. Since its 'owned' by a Marine Corps League it will probably be painted in a Marine WWII scheme. Though I think a "plane jane" scheme would be pretty cool too, but maybe we'll save that for a fiberglass replica.

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Cool pics!

It looks like the Widgeon still used the Ranger engine, which I haven't seen too often on the warbird circuit. Most of the Widgeons around here are turboprops.


Nope, those aren't Rangers. Rangers are inline engines with a vertical orientation. Those aren't the typical cowlings for McKinnon Super Widgeons with the GO-480 engines either, so I'm going to guess that they're McKinnon's earlier GO-435 powered version.

And I have never heard of or seen a turboprop Widgeon. There are a couple of PT6-powered Gooses out there, and one highly modified Goose with Garrett TPE-331's, but I don't thnk that there are any turboprop Widgeons. If you have a photo of one, I'd love to see it.

A Widgeon with a pair of Allison/Rolls Royce 250-B17 series turboprops (installed in the sleek original Ranger cowlings) would be pretty darn cool though!


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kalamazookid wrote:
Cool pics!

It looks like the Widgeon still used the Ranger engine, which I haven't seen too often on the warbird circuit. Most of the Widgeons around here are turboprops.

Those arnt ranger engines there lycomings. It's a flat 6 in stead of a inline Inverted 6, a later conversion


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The Widgeon is a Link/Lockheed conversion with geared Lycomings. I think 230hp.


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The Widgeon is a Link/Lockheed conversion with geared Lycomings. I think 230hp.


According to the registration database in Gladen Robert Hamilton's book "Flying Boats for Recreation" Widgeon N403E (c/n 1300) has the McKinnon GO-435 conversion (260 hp.)

Widgeon N402E (c/n 1444) has the Lockheed 270 hp GO-480 conversion - according to the same source.


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I'm not sure of the engine hp, but the cowlings are Link/Lockheed...


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Nope, those aren't Rangers. Rangers are inline engines with a vertical orientation. Those aren't the typical cowlings for McKinnon Super Widgeons with the GO-480 engines either, so I'm going to guess that they're McKinnon's earlier GO-435 powered version.

And I have never heard of or seen a turboprop Widgeon. There are a couple of PT6-powered Gooses out there, and one highly modified Goose with Garrett TPE-331's, but I don't thnk that there are any turboprop Widgeons. If you have a photo of one, I'd love to see it.

A Widgeon with a pair of Allison/Rolls Royce 250-B17 series turboprops (installed in the sleek original Ranger cowlings) would be pretty darn cool though!


I guess I was mistaken. Here's the Widgeon I am thinking of. It's powered by Lycoming R-680s.

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Actually, those are Continental 470's...


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Nope, those aren't Rangers. Rangers are inline engines with a vertical orientation. Those aren't the typical cowlings for McKinnon Super Widgeons with the GO-480 engines either, so I'm going to guess that they're McKinnon's earlier GO-435 powered version.

And I have never heard of or seen a turboprop Widgeon. There are a couple of PT6-powered Gooses out there, and one highly modified Goose with Garrett TPE-331's, but I don't thnk that there are any turboprop Widgeons. If you have a photo of one, I'd love to see it.

A Widgeon with a pair of Allison/Rolls Royce 250-B17 series turboprops (installed in the sleek original Ranger cowlings) would be pretty darn cool though!


I guess I was mistaken. Here's the Widgeon I am thinking of. It's powered by Lycoming R-680s.

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Are you trying to be funny?

"Lycoming R-680's" are RADIAL engines - big fat round RADIAL engines. That's what the "R" in R-680 stands for. The engines on that Widgeon are about as FLAT as any engine can be without the help of a steamroller.

As tight as those cowlings are, I'd bet that the engines are some variation of Continental IO-470 (260 hp.) There were several different Widgeon conversions that used that engine.

It could also be the relatively new Magnum (Lycoming) 350 hp TIO-540 engine conversion. I believe the engines are TIO-540-J2BD's just like what's in a Piper Navajo Chieftain. Come to think of it, Hamilton's book that I referenced in my earlier post had SCAN 30 s/n 4 listed as N115WB; the fact that the registration has been changed to N350GW might be a clue in favor of the Magnum 350 hp conversion. ("350GW" as in "350" hp "G"rumman "W"idgeon.)

I hung a GO-480 on the right side of N9933H for Pete Soby a long time ago and then several years ago, I read that he had upgraded it to the Magnum TIO-540's. Awesome conversion, especially when you live in Colorado like he has for the last 10 years or so. He was in Pinehurst, NC when I worked on his airplane.

Don't be fooled by the inaccuracies of the FAA registration database, which for N350GW lists the engines as "Lycoming R680" - it also says the airplane is a "Grumman G-44A" and it is not; it is a SCAN 30 (serial number "4" is a clue. Grumman-built Widgeons serial numbers started at 1201 - right after Goose c/n 1200 but before Goose B-1.)

At some point in the past, that airplane may have had Lycoming radials, but it sure as heck does not now. I could have sworn that I had some photos of a Widgeon with the Mansdorf R-680 conversion on file, but I can't put my hands on them right now. The engine nacelles were almost as fat as the fuselage and the drag was tremendous.

Go to YouTube.com and do a search for "Fantasy Island" - "da plane da plane" that Tatoo was shouting about was a Mansdorf Widgeon.

Nice photo, though!

And that's Bob Redner's McKinnon G-21G Turbo Goose (s/n 1226) in the background. I got to fly it around for a little while one afternoon (from the right seat) when he flew into Burlington, NC to visit us at Antilles Seaplanes.


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Are you trying to be funny?

"Lycoming R-680's" are RADIAL engines - big fat round RADIAL engines. That's what the "R" in R-680 stands for. The engines on that Widgeon are about as FLAT as any engine can be without the help of a steamroller.

As tight as those cowlings are, I'd bet that the engines are some variation of Continental IO-470 (260 hp.) There were several different Widgeon conversions that used that engine.

It could also be the relatively new Magnum (Lycoming) 350 hp TIO-540 engine conversion. I believe the engines are TIO-540-J2BD's just like what's in a Piper Navajo Chieftain. Come to think of it, Hamilton's book that I referenced in my earlier post had SCAN 30 s/n 4 listed as N115WB; the fact that the registration has been changed to N350GW might be a clue in favor of the Magnum 350 hp conversion. ("350GW" as in "350" hp "G"rumman "W"idgeon.)

I hung a GO-480 on the right side of N9933H for Pete Soby a long time ago and then several years ago, I read that he had upgraded it to the Magnum TIO-540's. Awesome conversion, especially when you live in Colorado like he has for the last 10 years or so. He was in Pinehurst, NC when I worked on his airplane.

Don't be fooled by the inaccuracies of the FAA registration database, which for N350GW lists the engines as "Lycoming R680" - it also says the airplane is a "Grumman G-44A" and it is not; it is a SCAN 30 (serial number "4" is a clue. Grumman-built Widgeons serial numbers started at 1201 - right after Goose c/n 1200 but before Goose B-1.)

At some point in the past, that airplane may have had Lycoming radials, but it sure as heck does not now. I could have sworn that I had some photos of a Widgeon with the Mansdorf R-680 conversion on file, but I can't put my hands on them right now. The engine nacelles were almost as fat as the fuselage and the drag was tremendous.

Go to YouTube.com and do a search for "Fantasy Island" - "da plane da plane" that Tatoo was shouting about was a Mansdorf Widgeon.

Nice photo, though!

And that's Bob Redner's McKinnon G-21G Turbo Goose (s/n 1226) in the background. I got to fly it around for a little while one afternoon (from the right seat) when he flew into Burlington, NC to visit us at Antilles Seaplanes.


I know R- stands for radial, but that's the type of engine it lists here (and on the FAA site FWIW):

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N350GW.html

I just figured it was some sort of different or more modern designation used by Lycoming. One would think that the FAA registration would have that type of information listed correctly, but I guess that's too much to expect... And I guess I won't be using that website as any sort of reference for powerplants anymore :oops: :oops: :oops:

Thanks for all the great information though!

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Didn't know one simple picture was gunna cause this much debate! :shock:

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