Rare PZL P24A preserved in Turkey......

Michel Lemieux · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:14 am

Rare PZL P24A preserved in Turkey......

I was familiar with the PZL 11 in Poland...but had no clue of it's older sibling in Turkey.

They both have a replica on outside display and the real McCoy inside the Turkish Air Force musuem.

In Turkish only of course: http://www.hho.edu.tr/Muze/muze.htm

I kind of like these pre WW2 design....they are so elegant. And how much of a reminder of how WW2 evolved AC design to a new level.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Turkey---Air/PZL-Okecie-P-24A/1112640/L/

Some link to other pics: http://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/Turkce/muzelerimiz/AnkaraHavaMuzesi/muze.htm

Seems they also have a funky Spit replica on outdoor display and I remember reading about a P-47 also.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:31 am

Well I have to say that's a new one on me!

Thanks!

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:45 am

Interesting AC, just a bit limited forward view. Got to have been a bit of a handful on landing. Landing instructions 1. Point aircraft towards landing area. 2. chop throttle. 3. Pray. :shock:

Michel Lemieux · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:47 am

Comming from you James...I'll take this as a compliment :wink:

lmritger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:19 am

Holy CRAP!!! I had no idea there was another PZL of ANY sort extant in the world, let alone a PZL-24. That's a spectacular find, thanks for this!

Oh, and I do believe that Spitfire was provided to the museum by Trumpeter.

(Inside joke for fellow modelers here)

Great stuff!

Lynn

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:21 am

Holedigger wrote:

Interesting AC, just a bit limited forward view. Got to have been a bit of a handful on landing. Landing instructions 1. Point aircraft towards landing area. 2. chop throttle. 3. Pray. :shock:

Remember airfield were grass, and round when this was designed. Three point (because you are a proper pilot, not a taxi driver) and the skid will look after the breaking and there's no runway to swing off.

To be fair, the P.11c design had no canopy, and I bet they landed this with the canopy back!

Michel Lemieux wrote:

Comming from you James...I'll take this as a compliment :wink:

Please do. We live and learn...

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:37 am

Well, if Lucky Lindy can land the "Spirit" after a 33 1/2 hour flight with even less visibility, just SMALL side windows, this was probably a great improvement. Is that canopy a slide back or hinged to the side affair? I think I see side hinges which would not allow it to be opened for landing. Putting her down on a grass field, OK, but I would think a runway would really be a handful. Guess you could crab a bit until the last moment to get a better view.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:57 am

Holedigger wrote:

Well, if Lucky Lindy can land the "Spirit" after a 33 1/2 hour flight with even less visibility, just SMALL side windows, this was probably a great improvement.

Indeed!

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Is that canopy a slide back or hinged to the side affair? I think I see side hinges which would not allow it to be opened for landing.

You might be right. I'll see what I can find.

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Putting her down on a grass field, OK, but I would think a runway would really be a handful...

There really weren't many military 'runways' in Europe in the 1930s - certainly not on fighter fields. Even airports were often all over grass with a tarmac area in front of the hangars and tower.

RMAllnutt · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:08 am

WOW.... they also have a Curtiss CW-22 Falcon as well!!!

... and their P-47 is outside...

Cool Stuff... had no idea about the extent of this collection. Thanks for passing it along!

Cheers,
Richard

Michel Lemieux · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:18 am

Found a link to their preserved P47 with a pic of it

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Seen here is an Indiana built P-47D-30-RA s/n: 44-33712 with Turkish
Air Force s/n: DE-21. 180 P-47 Thunderbolts were operated by
Turkey between 1948 and 1954.
Turkish Air Force Museum, Istanbul, Turkey, 2005

http://www.uswarplanes.net/p47.html

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Turkey---Air/Republic-P-47D-Thunderbolt/1108591/L/

John Dupre · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:39 am

Holedigger wrote:

Interesting AC, just a bit limited forward view. Got to have been a bit of a handful on landing. Landing instructions 1. Point aircraft towards landing area. 2. chop throttle. 3. Pray. :shock:

It would be interesting to read what the pilots of the day thought. As I look at the design visibility in flight ought not to be too bad. The gulled wing makes forward and upward view pretty good. With the cockpit so far back the pilot ought to have a pretty good view downward. I wonder if the pilot can see the main wheels by leaning to the side. It is possible that the placement of the wing trailing edge might not even be much of a problem in most modes of flight. Along with the round or square fields with no paved runways most approaches even to air strips would have been 360 degree overheads and probably flown with the aircraft in a curving bank in order to see the ground until just before round out. There probably were plenty of ground handlers to help guide the pilot in as well. Even so I bet their peripheral vision was excellent!

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:12 pm

Some quite interesting gems. Lots of "new" things coming out from behind the Iron Curtain!

RMAllnutt · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:16 pm

Holedigger wrote:

Some quite interesting gems. Lots of "new" things coming out from behind the Iron Curtain!

.....um, Turkey was never behind the Iron Curtain... they're part of NATO, and have been since the early days. :wink:

Cheers,
Richard

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:24 pm

Doh!!!

Don't know why, but I was thinking Hungary! Must be lunch time!!

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:14 pm

it's amazing!!!! some warbirds wind up in the most off the wall places!! a polish pre- ww2 fighter in turkey, go figure!!

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