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After reading an old article in Air Classics regarding the PNG ban on exportation of "their heritage" which then shifted to wholesale scrapping of most anything aluminum, I would hazard a guess that most concentrations of AC at or around airfields have pretty much disappeared. A few here and there "protected" by the locals to draw tourists, slowly turning to dust!!! Great preservation scheme!!! Probably some in the deep jungles or less accessible areas that haven't been completely stripped yet.

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You ought to go on Pacific Wrecks website. Papua, NG, is their specialty. Here is the link:

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/forum/

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Guys , you're getting Papua New Guinea confused with Irian Jaya (also known as Papua) which is on the same island but is on the Indonesian side.

As far as I know there is no restriction on wreck exports on the Indonesian side of the border , the main constraint is terrain and govt red tape.

The rebels there also like to shoot westerners there if they can get away with it

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Doh! :shock: Read twice, check map!!! :oops: Quite right, whole different set of difficulties there!

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I would love to see the pics please!! 8)

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Let me confuse things even more:

The western half of the island of New Guinea has been known as the "Province of Papua, Indonesia" since about 2003. Now I know that some folks don't like Wiki, but you can check elsewhere. As far as I know, the name was changed. See the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_(province)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_(province)



So what we all thought was Irian Jaya, is now the "Province of Papua", Indonesia. This was pointed out recently in a book published in 2006 titled "The Ghost Mountain Boys" which treats the battles in New Guinea during WWII; the author notes these distinctions to try to avoid the confusion of the name changes.

Before it was known as Irian Jaya or Province of Papua, the western half of New Guinea was known as Dutch New Guinea. That much is pretty well known by some of us older people on the forum.

The southern half of the eastern half of the island of New Guinea was known as the "Territory of Papua". This is the Papua that many of us are familiar with. This territory includes the strategic city of Port Moresby. The "Territory of Papua" was under the control of Australia for many years. It is now an independent country.

At the time of WWII, the island of New Guinea was divided in to three distinct territories:

Papua New Guinea (the southern half of the eastern half of the island).
Northeast New Guinea (the northern half of the eastern half of the island).
Dutch New Guinea (the western half of the island of New Guinea).

Like I said, you don't have to believe me--just do a quick web search of the two terms:

Territory of Papua
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Province of Papua


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The above link does not go exactly where I copied it from,
but the information I noted can be found there with very little effort.

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I will be publishing an extremely detailed book treating USAAF airplane accidents on the Island of New Guinea (all of it) in the future. In fact, I should be working on it now instead of messing around here on WIX.




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Yeah, and you opened this post, and we took numerous risks to get to it. With this sort of contempt, I probably won't post anything else about this. Even the stuff we found.

Lighten up francis, you may want to google "Midol" :roll:

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lestweforget wrote:
Hi Tom. Just read your fathers page on pacificwrecks. Very interesting. I too am sorry to hear of his recent passing. He must have seen some sights. Thanks for posting the link.
All the best, Willie.


thank you for the kind words. my dad related some pretty wild stories that are warbird oriented. my father's infantry battalion was supplied by air drop for 30 days on midnanoa, c-47's?? c-46's'?? c-87's??? i'd love to know by what :?: ?? he went up on an aerial recon flight on a stinon l-5 or piper cub. he was strafed & bombed countless times from new guinea, to morotai, to mindanoa. "harrassing piss call charlie" flights bombing his unit frequently some nights. he mentioned aussie ace killer caldwell & said he was in a p-61. i know that's not true, but chalk it up to ww 2 grunt gossip. my brother rescued a piece of aluminum shrapnel from a japanese aircraft for me as my dad thought it was junk. it's roughly 4x4 inches.

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Holedigger wrote:
After reading an old article in Air Classics regarding the PNG ban on exportation of "their heritage" which then shifted to wholesale scrapping of most anything aluminum, I would hazard a guess that most concentrations of AC at or around airfields have pretty much disappeared. A few here and there "protected" by the locals to draw tourists, slowly turning to dust!!! Great preservation scheme!!! Probably some in the deep jungles or less accessible areas that haven't been completely stripped yet.


some parts of papua new guinea /irian jaya are still uncharted today!! i can't imagine the history that's in that dense unexplored terrain.

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Thanks TonyM , I learnt something today :D

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