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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:05 am 
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We have suffered yet another small delay in our return to flight. Murphy
showed up once again!

There is a little nut with a small rod, about the size of a toothpick
attached to it, that runs up and down a worm gear, moving the aileron trim
indicator. Well, that rod broke off! Our team took it to what was supposed to
be an ace welder to have it put back together. He might have been a great
welder, but he doesn't know metal!!! He whipped out his TIG and attached
the rod, but at the wrong angle, AND he thought the nut was steel. WRONG!
It's brass. Yep, the TIG sort of melted the brass to the worm gear, so it
wouldn't run up and down it, in addition to the rod being at the wrong
angle.

Our Maintenance Officer and I were talking in the hangar today. We
decided that once the Rose is back in the air, we are going to get an old pair of
pants, a shirt, boots, and something to use as a head, stuff the clothing
and attach the head and boots, put some weights in the clothes, make a name
tag that says "MURPHY", then put the dummy on the bomb bay doors, take off,
and drop MURPHY out of the plane!! Hopefully getting him out and away
from the Yellow Rose forever!!!!!!!

In the meantime, anyone know where we might find this part?

P/N 62-52525 "Nut assembly - aileron trim tab control pointer actuating"

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Here's the latest update from the Yellow Rose maintenance officer. Another slight issue was discovered, but I'm glad it was found now instead of by failure in the air!

"I was hoping the Rose would be giving rides for our July 4th Flyday. Instead, I'm once again having to apologize for not having her ready. She seems to want some more of our attention.

We fixed the landing gear emergency release handle brackets and cable, so we thought we were down to one issue keeping us out of the sky. You can see that issue in the attached photo. (Which I hope to have posted on here soon! - Mike) The little rod is attached at a very specific angle to the nut with silver solder. The rod was broken off and the aileron trim control didn't work. Ray Ender had fixed it just before I took the photo. Then I broke the rod off again while installing it. Ray wasn't immediately available to try again so we took it a trusted welding shop. The welder didn't notice that the nut was brass and went for it with his tig welder. Big mistake! The nut was effectively destroyed.

We turned to Gary Gates who produced a replacement nut, but it turns out that the thread pattern is one essentially not used since world war 2 and it didn't work. Gary can get the right tool made, but it would be expensive. So, we called Carl Scholl in California and he says he has the part in his desert warehouse and will ship it to us Tuesday, July 7. In the mean time...

I discovered that we have a new volunteer, Mark Blum (sorry if I got that last name wrong Mark), who has extensive experience rigging cables in large aircraft. Yeah, we actually got lucky for a change! The bad side of this (of course, there had to be one) is that we quickly realized how bad the cables were in the plane. Few had the correct tension. Some were rusty or frayed. Mark and I agreed that the only correct course of action is to replace them. The parts are available and we've already started, so I hope this won't take too long.

The new engine runs pretty well but we have some carburetor issues. There is some confusion about them, too. I was told today that each of the two carbs we have, have been on the plane and both had problems. We would expect that one would have been sent off for repair after the engine was trashed but that apparently didn't happen. One of the two is now on the plane. The second is in a box which we cut the packing tape on this afternoon. It is sealed in a bag with the overhauler's paperwork on top, inside the bag.

I didn't know about this one when I retrieved the other to put on the plane. Jim Liles is going to visit the overhauler of that second carb Thursday to get some info on it and to see if we can get one of their carb experts to come out and look at what we have in place now. Possibly, it can be adjusted on the plane by someone who knows what they're doing. (OK, with my luck lately, that's a long shot.) Maybe they can tell us about the second carb we have. If it is fresh from overhaul, maybe we can swap it out and fix the carb problems. Getting more accurate information is critical to determining our next step and as soon as we know, I'll get the word out to all of you. Until then, the adventure continues...

Each time we encounter a new problem, I get a little more frustrated (and probably lose a little more hair). I know that it is good to find them now and I try to keep positive about it all. It gets a little more difficult with each new problem, though. I really hate having to continually postpone our return to flight, missing shows and opportunities to make some money. Please bear with us. This was a sick bird with many problems, some of which took years to surface.

We are working hard and, hopefully, working smart to resolve each problem she presents us with. Someone commented that maybe we just haven't sacrificed enough blood, sweat, or tears yet. I prefer to think that she just wants some more attention. At any rate, we will get through this and the Rose will be SO much better for it.

Hope you can all come out for a while Saturday and visit, eat, and fly with us if you like. I wish you all a happy and safe Fourth of July holiday! God Bless America!

Ray Clausen
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Yellow Rose Squadron
Commemorative Air Force"

We are having a 4th of July fly-day and BBQ at our hangar for family and friends. We thought the Rose would be back in the air by then to give rides to those who have worked so hard on her, but that reward will have to wait. In the meantime we will be giving formation flights in some of our smaller planes (U-3, U-11, T-6, SNJ, etc.) to our family and friends as a small thank you for all your support.

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Posting the offending "NUT" for Mike. Such a little thing, such a BIG HEADACHE!!!

Have a good, fun and SAFE Independence Day!
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Happy Fourth Y'all, have some BBQ for me (and a Shiner Bock or two!)
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Wow! That's beautiful Chris!!!!

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I have just decided the Yellow Rose B-25 will not be going to Oshkosh this year. We had big plans, but some minor, and one I consider major, maintenance items have turned up again. The big major one is the control cables. I just got off the phone with our maintenance officer and learned that not only have rusty and frayed cables been found, but there are several frozen pulleys, some with severe cuts worn in them.

In order to keep the maintenance team from feeling they are under pressure to make a deadline, I'm taking Oshkosh off the table this year. We should be there, and everywear next year!!!

We are working on building the effigy of Murphy so we can toss him out the bomb bay once the Rose is back in the air!

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Good stuff Mike and a great decision. It is difficult to make the move to stand down for few more weeks, but it was the "PRUDENT" thing to do.... ooooppps sorry about that word "prudent", that's an RN thing. You guys will definately have a safe and thoroughly inspected bird when you do lift off the ground!
Holedigger, great artwork!

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Latest Update from our Maintenance Officer:


"I just realized that it has been a couple of weeks since I got any info
out and decided it’s time to get an update to you on the status
of the work on the Yellow Rose. Despite the silence, we have been busy…

On the engine front, we’ve made good progress. Last update, I mentioned
carburetor problem and some confusion over the two carbs. Well, we have pretty well worked that out. Jim Liles made a run into San Antonio and met with the folks at Aero Accessories to discuss our situation. Jim came back with clear instructions on how to properly adjust the carb that was on the plane to give us the high RPM performance that was missing.

The adjustment made a huge difference and allowed us to get the engine speed up to the point that was required to check and set the oil pressure properly. The oil pressure is our focus right now, engine-wise, but we couldn’t get above 1700 RPM before the adjustment. We may still need to tweak the carb again before we fly but we can easily reach the 2000 RPM we need to set the pressure.

We were concerned about high oil pressure at startup, but the engine
overhauler assured us that it isn’t too unusual for a fresh engine with fresh oil to read a little high until the oil warms up. That is exactly what we saw and we now feel good about the high pressure of the engine. We were also concerned about the low pressure of the new engine being too low at idle. Once again we were assured that the 50 PSI we had adjusted it up to was OK, but that we just need to adjust it up a bit more to get the 70 PSI we’d like to see when hot at idle speed. We have a question about how much we run the engine before we fly her, and I already have a call in to the overhauler about this. When we get his answer, we’ll decide when to run her to set the oil pressure.

We are moving forward on the control cable front, also. Friday, we
received the aileron trim adjustment nut from California. I had taken the
aileron/rudder trim control assembly to Gary Gates when he was trying to reproduce the nut. He took the assembly apart, thoroughly cleaned it, stripped all the old paint, replaced the bushings and bearings, and had it painted with some paint that I took him with the nut. We will reassemble it Monday evening.

When we started looking hard at the control cables, we knew immediately
that it was WAY past time to replace many of them. I mentioned Mark in my last update and while I don’t want to pigeon-hole him, right now he’s our Cable Guy. Mark spent his first three and a half years as an A&P rigging cables on 707 aircraft for Continental Airlines. Again I have to ask, how lucky are we to have someone like that walk in the very week I begin to re-rig the cables in the left wing? Mark asked me what I wanted to do about the cables after showing me all he had found. Without hesitation, I told him that we replace them. All were loose, some were rusty, a couple were frayed. One actually broke while we were looking at some others.

While inspecting the cable situation we discovered that most of the small
pulleys associated with the control locks and the aileron trim were frozen
in place, most hadn’t turned in years. Again, the only right answer was to
replace them – all 20 of them along with 6 or 8 other larger ones. Finding
these involved looking deep into the trailing edge of the wings again and
we got some good news this time, no new corrosion was found.

Also, before Judy (squadron Finance Officer) has any seizures over my spending, we shopped for pulleys and while the high quote for the small one was about $25 apiece, we got them for about $8 apiece. It is her job to keep us in line financially and we really are trying to keep the costs down.

After adjusting the left engine propeller governor control cable, Mark
asked if I wanted him to check the right cable. I gave him a quick, “Heck yeah!” after all we’d seen so far. Well, it was so loose it didn’t even
register on our tensiometer (tool that measures cable tightness). When we looked closer, the control wheel on the governor was missing a big chunk of the aft rim. Fortunately, we had a replacement wheel. Once again, I found myself frustrated that we found another problem that had been lurking for who knows how long and, at the same time, happy that we found it and resolved it now, before it became a serious problem.

We expect to have the new cable and associated parts Monday morning and will begin replacing the old ones as soon as possible. I’ll try to have an idea of how long it will take to wrap up these two projects by the Tuesday night meeting. I’ll tell you what though, I sure wish I was one of the pilots of the Yellow Rose. With two fresh engines and a thoroughly, and correctly, rigged control system, I just know she’s going to fly like the day she came off the assembly line!

Please know that we are working hard, in some pretty brutal heat, to get
the Rose back in the air and she will fly again soon. My promise to the
Squadron when I accepted the office of Maintenance Officer remains the same: the work will be done right and the aircraft will be as safe and solid as possible before she returns to the air."

Ray Clausen
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Believe me Mike I feel your pain! We had to completely replace all of our cables and most of the pulleys on our bird. I love your decision to skip Osh and not be rushed. This isn’t combat. Safety trumps everything. Threads like this one go along way in demonstrating the sometimes almost insurmountable difficulties you can go through to keep these things in the air. My hat is off to you.

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Lets just hope that the piloting quality is of the same high standard for many years as the maintenance folks appear to have. If so, the Rose could be flying for another 50 years!

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Mr. Jack Jones would be very proud of the fact you are taking such AMAZING care of his (as he called her) bird!!!

Warmest regards and keep up the fantastic job!

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Jack was a wonderful man, and dear friend of mine "back in the day". I'm sure he would totally approve of the level of care, and craftsmanship, that "his" plane is receiving now!

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Jack Hart wasn't to bad either. Do you all still need some stuff welded? I found a guy in Grand Prairie, Texas who does great work and is that close to getting his repair station license. I showed him your picture of an attempt to weld shot.... :shock:

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Lynn,

We got a part from Aero Trader, but if we need something else welded like that, I'll be sure to get with you to find out where this place is! I don't think we're going to let that other welder destroy any more parts!!!

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Good News! Murphy seems to be on vacation! So far no new squawks have shown their ugly heads.

All the replacement pulleys are on hand and being changed out. Our cable guy is working on replacing control cables, and has a spool of cable on hand, as well as most of the needed cable ends. The few that aren't on hand are on order.

She could very well have air under her mains, without the benefit of jacks, in the first half of August! But if the maintenance team needs more time, they can have it. It's so much better to find broken things at home on the ground than when you are away...or at 10,500 feet!

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