Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:14 pm
richkolasa wrote:m charters wrote:I can even understand how someone might view the gentle smoothness of a T-28's 1820 as something other than a symphony.
Rich
Rich,
you need to stay away from the adult koolaid before a airshow. a T-28 sounds like a runaway john deer with no muffler, and missing half the cylinders
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:19 pm
This is just wonderful news, congratulations to ALL the staff of the CWH, particularly those who've worked so hard to get her back in the air! I had the opportunity to see the aircraft up close back in April 2005 (God, has it been that long?) and it looked like it was just about ready to fly then. The CWH doesn't do anything halfway, and it's a real pleasure to see such a magnificent and rare aircraft treated with the care it deserves by such a great organization.
Cheers, eh!
Lynn
Cheers, eh!
Lynn
Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:21 pm
richkolasa wrote:What displacement is the engine in the Lysander
Just under 25 litres IIRC
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:05 pm
Firebird wrote:richkolasa wrote:What displacement is the engine in the Lysander
Just under 25 litres IIRC
The Lysander I and III have Bristol Mercury engines, the Mk.II had the Bristol Perseus, a sleeve valve. There are no Bristol Perseus engines active anywhere, the Mercury, although one of the most common British engines of W.W.II is pretty rare these days. Currently there are two Gladiators and two Lysanders active with them, plus more Lysanders and a Blenheim to come in the near future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Perseus
Mk.II Lysanders can be spotted by the lack of 'teardrops' on the cowling, which is smaller diameter as well.
Spares are, compared to P&W and Wrights rare, but they aren't 'ultra-rare'. The issue has more been proper maintenance and operation of the engines; the first Blenheim being lost due to pilot error opening the throttles too quickly inducing a rich cut. (Established by the accident investigation and a court case.) Others have failed unexpectedly because of improper maintenance and use.
The sound has a lot to do with the exhaust system, which is interesting. I'll try and find a diagram.
HTH.
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:11 pm
Firebird wrote:richkolasa wrote:What displacement is the engine in the Lysander
Just under 25 litres IIRC
Oh, geeze...I thought 25 litres was 80 feet!
Rich
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:12 pm
Matt Gunsch wrote:richkolasa wrote:m charters wrote:I can even understand how someone might view the gentle smoothness of a T-28's 1820 as something other than a symphony.
Rich
Rich,
you need to stay away from the adult koolaid before a airshow. a T-28 sounds like a runaway john deer with no muffler, and missing half the cylinders
Yeah, like I said...A SYMPHONY.
Rich
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:31 pm
Thanks for all the great comments. Here are a few shots from today's flying.
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:35 pm
One of the pilot's comments I recall was "it's wise to ensure your side windows are properly latched before takeoff - otherwise they can drop into the fuselage-side with a bang that makes you think a wing's fallen off..."
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:36 pm
How many people can you put in the rear there, behind the pilot?
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:40 pm
warbird1 wrote:How many people can you put in the rear there, behind the pilot?
It was designed to take one observer, using the gun and camera etc, (there's a ventral and oblique port for cameras). You could get a couple in if you wanted.
The Special Duties conversion put in a bench and removed the gun mounting and so forth so more people could be flown in or brought out of occupied countries. IIRC, the max lifted was five passengers. Sometimes more when one or two were children.
The TT Lysanders had a winch in between the cockpits above the fuselage tank and a winch operator in the back.
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:44 pm
Can't wait to see it at Flyfest, its awesome to see another great warbird with such an important history in Canada back in the air.
Great work!
Great work!
????
Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:54 pm
I really like Lysanders and knew a guy here in Salem who flew them and built many of the Hawk kits has a kid.
Don Brook's Lysander is my favorite.
The workmanship is very impressive and a thumbs up to everyone.
But, that target tug scheme is down right ugly
The only thing missing is a great big decal
Flame suit on
Don Brook's Lysander is my favorite.
The workmanship is very impressive and a thumbs up to everyone.
But, that target tug scheme is down right ugly
The only thing missing is a great big decal
Flame suit on
Re: ????
Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:03 pm
Jack Cook wrote:I really like Lysanders and knew a guy here in Salem who flew them and built many of the Hawk kits has a kid.
Don Brook's Lysander is my favorite.
Is he still around, Jack?
Agreed Don's is a nice example, and his guys - 'Fish' Salmon in particular did a good job getting it flying.
But, that target tug scheme is down right ugly
The only thing missing is a great big decal
Flame suit on
No flame, but a couple of thoughts from a different view: It don't need a decal as it's an authentic scheme - both for that aircraft and the majority of Canadian Lysanders. It's a lot more appropriate than the trainers in mock fighter schemes we see.
Secondly it's a real smack in the eye. That means that people will want to know 'why' it's painted like that, and that'll cause learning about the bigger picture of W.W.II to happen, including the challenges of aerial gunnery - a-good-thing.
Thirdly opinions about (accurate) schemes are entirely subjective - what works for one doesn't work for someone else; I can see where you're coming from, but I think it's neat, and not just because of the story behind it. Doesn't mean either of us is 'wrong' of course!
regards,
Re: ????
Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:09 pm
Jack Cook wrote:I really like Lysanders and knew a guy here in Salem who flew them and built many of the Hawk kits has a kid.
Don Brook's Lysander is my favorite.
The workmanship is very impressive and a thumbs up to everyone.
But, that target tug scheme is down right ugly
The only thing missing is a great big decal
Flame suit on
I agree, but its authentic to what the Bombing and Gunnery schools used up here.
Try to look past the surface to see the inner beauty Jack.
????
Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:52 pm
I do see that it's a beautiful aircraft. The first a/c I saw in that scheme
were Wes Agnew's on his farm during a trip to Canada a very long time ago.
I though it was sorta ugly then too. but, Mr Agnew was a nice fellow and had some cool stuff!
Dwight (not Don) Brooks died of cancer quite a few years ago.
The fellow here in Salem was Ron Haviland (sp). He flew Battles in France in 1940 and escapes to Ebgalnd after his squadron was decimated.
He died quite a few years ago.
Also the the former leader of the local St Andrews Society here flew Lancs in 617 Squadron 44-45.
were Wes Agnew's on his farm during a trip to Canada a very long time ago.
I though it was sorta ugly then too. but, Mr Agnew was a nice fellow and had some cool stuff!
Dwight (not Don) Brooks died of cancer quite a few years ago.
The fellow here in Salem was Ron Haviland (sp). He flew Battles in France in 1940 and escapes to Ebgalnd after his squadron was decimated.
He died quite a few years ago.
Also the the former leader of the local St Andrews Society here flew Lancs in 617 Squadron 44-45.