North Korea

[Tulio]

Is Kapish the Russian equivalent of Capisce?


Saludos,


Tulio

[A2C]

Probably, and a little flippant as well..

[Tulio]

Just trying to dispel a little of my own ignorance; after all, ignorance the most expensive commodity...

Saludos,


Tulio

[muddyboots]

Never have I been close to a North Korean soldier, so I couldn't say if their military is a joke or not.

I was close enough to kiss him. They're no joke.

[Enemy Ace]

Little to no Night vision capability, little to no air force, antiquated equipment all around, no fuel....Not really a big huge threat. It would be an exciting 24 hours or so but then they'd all be dead.
China is /will not get involved this time around.
May be great soldiers individually but infantry won't get far by itself.

[muddyboots]

They're a road march away from Seoul. If they make it to Seoul you'll shocked at how wrong you are. And can you imagine what kind of damage they can do to Seoul and it's people before we can shut them down? Why in the world would we want to risk that? One good nuke...And they CAN get one there.

[mtpopejoy]

Hey Muddy,
I heard/have read that they have tens of thousands of artillery pieces hidden and in the open targeting Seoul with hundreds of thousands of tons of rounds they can put downrange before anyone could do anything about it. I have hear/read that this is what S. Koreans are most afraid of as well.
What have you heard/seen on this?
Regards,
Mark

[A2C]

For once I agree with muddyboots. Once they're in the cities it would get ugly. I think contrary to EnemyAce, China's "frontman" is N. Korea. I even think North Korea possibly is a "strawman" or "fallguy" used by China to make the bolder strokes and then to deny they know Kim when he does something outrageous. With that said, a war w/ N. Korea would mean big trouble w/ China. And China is building up big. They've stolen our submarine and missile technology among other things.

I wouldn't be surprised if China encourages N. Korea to use some kind of missile test to try and weaken Taiwan.

[muddyboots]

Hey Muddy,
I heard/have read that they have tens of thousands of artillery pieces hidden and in the open targeting Seoul with hundreds of thousands of tons of rounds they can put downrange before anyone could do anything about it. I have hear/read that this is what S. Koreans are most afraid of as well.
What have you heard/seen on this?
Regards,
Mark

Yeah, it's true. They used to build tunnels under the Z and stuff them with equipment for the breakout. Now they build them into thier side of the Z and combat load them so they all just climb in and start racing south. For those whyo can't imagie why it would be tough...think Iwo Kimo. every square foot of teh place is a mountainside. Dug into those mountainsides are firing positions for artillery. No way can we take all that arty out--even if it weren't dug in we coudln't hit it at a fast enough rate to prevent them flattening Seoul.

And the 2ID is a brigade element at most now. We'll be pancakes. Not even a speedbump if they move south. My bet, and the operational bet of the US army and SKA is that they will either flatten Seoul or race south and try to get there before we flatten them. And they'll make it there. Once there, it'll be the same kind of house by house combat we saw in Seoul the first go round...repeatedly. Falluja x 10. Every house is a walled complex, every building built to take a horrible pounding. It'll quickly become the worst city combat in history.

The point won't be to win. the point will be to make the cost so high taht they will force us to talks again. And we all know how much they love to talk. A couple million hastages, and we'll give them what they want. Cause the discussion won't be open t discussion: It's south Korean property and they won't let us keep fighting.

[Enemy Ace]

Somebody let me know when we get to the part where they're burying their WMD's in the sand OK?
Nothing like an alarming military "Crisis" to take the population's mind off the local realities.
Those of you who know me know that I am in a position to know what I'm talking about.

[cozmo]

Somebody let me know when we get to the part where they're burying their WMD's in the sand OK?

Well, according to this;FOX, they have no intention of that.

[muddyboots]

Somebody let me know when we get to the part where they're burying their WMD's in the sand OK?
Nothing like an alarming military "Crisis" to take the population's mind off the local realities.
Those of you who know me know that I am in a position to know what I'm talking about.

Ace, I was there in the mid 90's when we were all pals. I have scars to prove it. They are not now, nor have they ever been, trustworthy. I'm not saying we need to stomp them. I'm sure you're all plugged in and Lil Kim is sitting next to you telling you what his next move is. But the sad fact is they have a very bad track record with every other weapon they have ever made, and they have an even worse track record of doing bad things along the border when they know they can get away with it. If one looks purely at thier history, one should be concerned. And like I said: I have been close enough to kiss one of the sons of bitches and came away with a very unpleasant education from it.

I see nothing but bad coming from NK. Iran looks like it may well work out. NK not so much.

[Tulio]

Muddy,

Do you remember, IIRC, back in the 1970s-80s, when teams of NKs crossed the border, and committed acts of sabotage in the South? There were seveal instances, where tne SKA kept after them, and had a real hard time catching and / or killing the NKs.

There were many -too many- attacks across the DMZ, and also by sea.

Those events were the reason I had the talks with the SK instructors, as I posted above.

There was also that incident, where U.S. troops were cutting a tree in the DMZ, remember that?


Saludos,


Tulio

[BeckyFeets]

Muddy, it's ok if you did or did not kiss the North Korean soldier. I won't ask and you don't tell, and it will all be okay.

I thought you and the topic might need a little (very little) humor.

I am on my way over to Thunderbird to get some lunch. Hope you are doing ok. The B25 is coming back to the airport here next week.

Bill G.

[AviaS199]

Couple of fascinating documentaries about North Korea:

Abduction: The Story of Megumo Yokota tells the sad, infuriating story of a 13-year old Japanese girl who was kidnapped by North Korean agents in 1977. At first, the North Koreans denied kidnapping anyone. Then they admitted, well, yeah, we kidnapped a few people. Okay, more than a few. Maybe like 25. But no more than that. Honest. Really.

The Norks say Megumi committed suicide in 1994. Maybe. Maybe not. Her parents have never given up trying to bring her home.

A perversely fascinating documentary is "Crossing The Line," which tells the story of Joe Dresnok, the last American defector still living in North Korea. I posted a review in the off-topic section under the heading "DVDs worth renting."

"Crossing The Line" also tells the story of another American defector, Charles Robert Jenkins, who married yet another Japanese woman who had been kidnapped by the North Koreans. The woman eventually returned, with Jenkins, to Japan. Jenkins' book, "The Reluctant Communist" was published several months ago.

To say the least, it will be interesting to watch what happens in North Korea when Lil' Kim finally kicks the bucket. Word has it his son and designated succesor, Kim Jong-un, is a huge fan of the NBA in general and Michael Jordan in particular. Can't help but wonder how much we could bribe him with season tickets ...