TSA DID NOT STOP EAA B-17 at Stockton, CA 4-28-09

[brucev]

can you clarify who was charging whom the $500 and $1500?

[PinecastleAAF]

TSA not involved?

Shocking!!!!

Wix is a great place for warbirds not to mention belly laughs. I love it.

[Taigh Ramey]

The County is charging $500 for a permit to have a special event at Stockton Airport and $1500 security deposit plus other restrictions and requirements.

The local EAA chapter who is hosting the B-17 doesn't have the funds to cover the fees. The FBO that was providing the ramp for the EAA figured that they could host such an event without a special permit since they already have a lease they should not have to pay additional fees to have the EAA on their ramp. It turned into a standoff and EAA, after discussing it with the airport, pulled the plug to protect the FBO.

[kmiles]

I can not say for sure in this exact case, but typically it is the owner of the airport (County of San Joaquin) charging the fee to whoever is holding the event (EAA).

I am the tour coordinator for one of the other warbird tours, and we are seeing it more and more where airports are charging for visits. The towns and counties are trying to make the airports more self sufficient financially, and a way to do it is to charge anyone that wants to use the airport. That is where the landing fees and special event permit fees come in. Sometimes they waive it for non-profits, sometimes they don't. That is why it is important to go out and view the planes when they come to your local airports. Even if you can not afford the flight experiences, the $5 or $10 fee to view the aircraft helps pay for all of those permit fees and landing fees associated with just showing up at your local airport.

[bdk]

can you clarify who was charging whom the $500 and $1500?

To have a photo shoot at Chino Airport for instance, the county requires you to obtain a permit and charges for the privelege. This is not unusual. If I were to take my own Chino based airplane out on the ramp and set up what looked like a "photo shoot," the airport manager would pull up and ask to see my permit.

[Taigh Ramey]

BDK,

What does the permit cost at Chino for such an event?

Taigh

[ZRX61]

The US Navy stepped in to prevent civilians from recovery of US Navy "owned" crash sites (on land and in waters). The US Navy is rumored to have extended this to active owned and flown -formerly wrecked- US Navy aircraft.

I heard the rumor that the USAF is wanting to take over FIFI... Could the USAF be wanting ALL the USAAF/USAF aircraft back 'in their control'...like the USN seems to be actively doing?

FUD.....

[ZRX61]

can you clarify who was charging whom the $500 and $1500?

To have a photo shoot at Chino Airport for instance, the county requires you to obtain a permit and charges for the privelege. This is not unusual. If I were to take my own Chino based airplane out on the ramp and set up what looked like a "photo shoot," the airport manager would pull up and ask to see my permit.

Me & a few friends ran into this BS when we had 6 motorcycles parked up for photos. Sheriff turned up & read the riot act about permits blah blah blah because he *assumed* it was for a "for profit" magazine. He was actually correct but we said it was just for S&G's & they left us alone..

[bdk]

What does the permit cost at Chino for such an event?

I am told that it is in the neighborhood of $1000/day.

[mustangdriver]

So all of the exitement and namecalling was for nothing.

[aerovin]

Well, standby, because the TSA is implementing (if it gets its way) a severely restrictive set of security regulations at air carrier airports (like Stockton) that will heavily impact General Aviation (FBOs and operators). The TSA won't tell anyone the basis for the perceived need for this new program because it is very very secret but trust them...they know.

(See also TSA Security Directive (SD) 1542-04-08F. But, wait, you can't see it because it is secret.)

The need is so "urgent" that the TSA felt it really didn't need to use the normal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking process required for such regulations. Pesky public comments....not for them.

Perhaps having the TSA's Large Aircraft Security Progam eviscerated by the industry caused the little fellows to try and figure out another way to impose onerous and unconstitutional regulations.

"But it's okay....I wasn't using my civil rights anyway."

[PinecastleAAF]

The TSA won't tell anyone the basis for the perceived need for this new program because it is very very secret but trust them...they know

Is that a like an unknown known or more of a known unknown? If it was a known known then we would know more about it unless it was an unknown unknown then we wouldn't know about it at all.

It all sounds like incremental soft tyranny to me.

[Robbie Roberts]

Time to do away with the TSA. As well as charge their leadership with criminal abuse of power, subjegation of our civil rights, and just plain trying to f... the flying public!

Robbie

[mustangdriver]

Now that I agree with

[PinecastleAAF]

Time to do away with the TSA.

Who will protect us from the evildoers if we get rid of TSA? Personally I think Homeland Security and TSA can take a flying leap off a rolling donut but then again I don't panic at the signt of a low flying 747 either.