Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:45 pm
Randy Haskin wrote:Do you think fighter aircraft can teleport or something?
Sssssh, you're not supposed to tell anybody about that Randy!
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:34 pm
On the lighter side, call me silly but if I'm going to steal an airplane....it certainly won't be a C172!
Drew
Drew
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:37 pm
Hater...
*snicker*
*snicker*
Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:59 pm
Randy Haskin wrote:Bluedharma wrote:They said it took 20 min for the F-16s to get to him.
Why did it take 20 min???? Why??? Why???
Do you think fighter aircraft can teleport or something?
Clearly Good morning America does!
Sorry Randy... I should have put the word "sarcasm" after the red font...
-No I am just fine with the time taken...
Not like a Cessna from Canada is really a match for an F-16. Still you might want to write a letter to GMA... they appear very concerned!
Lions and Tigers and Cessna from Canada...oh my
Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:03 pm
yes and if they 'bagged' it could you imagine the story the news and the world would have had with that one??
Just like if they intercepted the airliners on a certain September morning back in 2001. What were they supposed to do with them.., down em?
Just like if they intercepted the airliners on a certain September morning back in 2001. What were they supposed to do with them.., down em?
Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:31 pm
the330thbg wrote:yes and if they 'bagged' it could you imagine the story the news and the world would have had with that one??
Um...yes, I can imagine it
And if the guy had gotten away, as well.
It wasn't as if he landed in a place as populated as Red Square.
For those to young to remember
Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:54 pm
Hvd2Pilot wrote:On the lighter side, call me silly but if I'm going to steal an airplane....it certainly won't be a C172!
Drew
Why not? If that is all you know how to fly, why should you for example, steal a Piper Navajo, or a Beech King Air?
Saludos,
Tulio
Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:47 pm
I used to work on F-16's in the Reserves and we used to rotate flying CAP over Bush's ranch in Crawford. Our pilots were always chasing some lost sole in an AWACS (All Weather Attack Cessna 150) out of the area around the ranch. After 9/11 our pilots rented a Piper Arrow or something like that so that the other guys could practice intercepting a slow moving single engine piston airplane. I'm sure that they could do a high speed pass close enough to knock a 150 out of the sky. Also in Iraq, they would get requests from ground troops to make a low pass down a road and pop flares just to scare the bad guys and make them put thier heads down and stop firing. We reloaded more flares than 20mm ammo!
out of the area around the ranch. After 9/11 our pilots rented a Piper Arrow or something like that so that the other guys could practice intercepting a slow moving single engine piston airplane. I'm sure that they could do a high speed pass close enough to knock a 150 out of the sky. Also in Iraq, they would get requests from ground troops to make a low pass down a road and pop flares just to scare the bad guys and make them put thier heads down and stop firing. We reloaded more flares than 20mm ammo!
from local news here..
Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:48 pm
From the reported local TV news here...
the F16's from Duluth tracked him down to around madison , then the Madison
f-16's took him from madison south ... Evidently he waved at the f16 pilots.
They may not of thought he was very dangerous seeing how he was probably
almost half empty of fuel when he hit madsion.
That said.. realize once the guys south of duluth, and not heading towards
Minn/st.paul, theres a whole lot of forest up there, not a lot of things that
he can hurt other than himself.. he wasn't going to green bay to tour Lambau field,
and there aren't any notable targets to take out till he gets near the
madison capitol building which looks alot like the nations capitol building but
a touch smaller. So the MSN f16's probably let him come to them before
sending duluths back home. He never flew any closer than a few miles
of the MSN capitol building.. so probably over farmland and was not serious threat.
I suppose it looks really bad on gun camera if you take a out a cessna as the
guys waving at you when you're over the north woods and farmland of WI and IL. At least the flight school ought to get their plane back. I don't
think he'll ever get behind the controls again, legitimately, fortunately, and
the canadian mounties get their man.
The system works.. we saved our missles.. and a cessna. good for us.
the F16's from Duluth tracked him down to around madison , then the Madison
f-16's took him from madison south ... Evidently he waved at the f16 pilots.
They may not of thought he was very dangerous seeing how he was probably
almost half empty of fuel when he hit madsion.
That said.. realize once the guys south of duluth, and not heading towards
Minn/st.paul, theres a whole lot of forest up there, not a lot of things that
he can hurt other than himself.. he wasn't going to green bay to tour Lambau field,
and there aren't any notable targets to take out till he gets near the
madison capitol building which looks alot like the nations capitol building but
a touch smaller. So the MSN f16's probably let him come to them before
sending duluths back home. He never flew any closer than a few miles
of the MSN capitol building.. so probably over farmland and was not serious threat.
I suppose it looks really bad on gun camera if you take a out a cessna as the
guys waving at you when you're over the north woods and farmland of WI and IL. At least the flight school ought to get their plane back. I don't
think he'll ever get behind the controls again, legitimately, fortunately, and
the canadian mounties get their man.
The system works.. we saved our missles.. and a cessna. good for us.
Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:53 pm
Old fighter pilot saying, "A kill's a kill, whether it's the enemies Ace or cargo plane hauling rubber dog doo out of Hong Kong" But, I guess since we're not at war with Canada........
Anyone hear about the Canadian CF-18's intercepting a Russian Bear bomber inside Canadian airspace a week before Obama visited Canada? Speaking of Lions, Tigers and Bear's oh my!
Anyone hear about the Canadian CF-18's intercepting a Russian Bear bomber inside Canadian airspace a week before Obama visited Canada? Speaking of Lions, Tigers and Bear's oh my!
Fighter coverage
Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:17 pm
I used to work at the Hanford , Washington, atomic works and while the nine production reactors there are now gone, there is still one power reactor operating and has a no fly zone around it. Just wanted to say that the nearest fighter unit is around 300 miles away if Portland ,Oregon is available and 500 miles away if Klamath Falls , Oregon is the on duty unit. These bases have two planes on ready alert so there would be some delay getting airborne.
Huh, somebody just knocked the front door down. I think they are coming to take me away, away. Security breach you know.
Mike13
Huh, somebody just knocked the front door down. I think they are coming to take me away, away. Security breach you know.
Mike13
Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:36 pm
There have been a multitude of terrorist warnings lately. I heard this was a terrorist dry run to check America's defense reaction. Logically speaking, the statement of a suicide attempt was a ploy by the guy who stole the plane.
Think about the determination it takes to fly a plane for 7 hours. If this guy really was suicidal he would have dove straight into the ground.
Think about the determination it takes to fly a plane for 7 hours. If this guy really was suicidal he would have dove straight into the ground.
Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:45 pm
Interesting saga, seems to have played out pretty much as you'd expect, in all aspects. And so, here we have...
Should we worry that you are the best informed? If it was, I doubt I'd read about it on a forum.
Quite possibly.
'suicidal' and 'entirely determined' and/or 'logical' don't go together. By definition, potential suicides aren't in a rational state of mind, and do not see their future options as most of us do.
I think letting a dry-run pilot end up in US hands would be figured by an anti-American organisation as a pretty poor playout, liable to be effective only in raising the defences.
'Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are out to get you...'
Moving along, nothing to see here...
A2C wrote:There have been a multitude of terrorist warnings lately. I heard this was a terrorist dry run to check America's defense reaction.
Should we worry that you are the best informed? If it was, I doubt I'd read about it on a forum.
Logically speaking, the statement of a suicide attempt was a ploy by the guy who stole the plane.
Quite possibly.
Think about the determination it takes to fly a plane for 7 hours. If this guy really was suicidal he would have dove straight into the ground.
'suicidal' and 'entirely determined' and/or 'logical' don't go together. By definition, potential suicides aren't in a rational state of mind, and do not see their future options as most of us do.
I think letting a dry-run pilot end up in US hands would be figured by an anti-American organisation as a pretty poor playout, liable to be effective only in raising the defences.
'Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they are out to get you...'
Moving along, nothing to see here...
Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:15 am
JDk:
Interesting analysis, so then what was the motive? To go to jail, after landing? Then why did he run? The logic don't add up.
Interesting analysis, so then what was the motive? To go to jail, after landing? Then why did he run? The logic don't add up.
Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:22 am
I'm not claiming to have all the answers.
Again, I'm no psychologist (I have a TV though).
Interesting analysis, so then what was the motive? To go to jail, after landing? Then why did he run? The logic don't add up.
JDK wrote:'suicidal' and 'entirely determined' and/or 'logical' don't go together. By definition, potential suicides aren't in a rational state of mind, and do not see their future options as most of us do.
Again, I'm no psychologist (I have a TV though).